Re: [External] : Re: Oracle 21c

Definitely. On the other hand (does that make three hands?) adding the additional management complexities also keeps us DBAs in business

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 8:16 AM Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed! The major problem is that, at a list price of US$17500/core, it
> is a little difficult to ignore unless you have a ULA. It is possible to
> provision several substantial VMs in public cloud and still have change.
>
> Infra costs are a fraction of Oracle licensing costs, never mind the
> non-discountable annual support subscriptions that nobody seems to want to
> bring up in TCO discussions.
>
> I think Oracle is worth it, and so apparently do most of its customers,
> but additional licensing for the multi-tenant option is hard to justify
> without a ULA.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/12/2022 6:03 AM, John Thomas wrote:
>
> There is one "big picture" selling point for CDBs.
>
> It allows you to share one large SGA on a server amongst a number of
> databases. Could save a fair bit of infrastructure costs if you ignore the
> mutli-tenant licence cost :-(
>
> Regards,
>
> John Thomas
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 13:24, Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So as with the entire concept of CDB's, another solution in search of a
>> problem.
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:56 PM Gerald Venzl <gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Read-Only Oracle Homes were introduced in 18c
>>> <https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/18/upgrd/understanding-read-only-oracle-homes.html#GUID-D848002A-DBAD-48FA-8467-E849630B8E42> and
>>> made the default in 21c.
>>> Thanks to this change, the Oracle software installation itself can be
>>> image-based.
>>> <https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/18/upgrd/image-based-oracle-database-installations.html#GUID-0315AA15-1C03-4E96-B801-3A8E5F5D4B39>
>>>
>>> There are a lot of benefits with ROOH and not tying the database
>>> configuration files to a particular OH location.
>>> For those of you on 19c, we highly encourage you to check this feature
>>> out and perhaps already make the move, as you will have to eventually
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> Thx,
>>>
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>> Gerald Venzl | Distinguished Product Manager
>>> Email: gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com
>>> Oracle ST & Database Development
>>> 400 Oracle Parkway | Redwood Shores | 94065 | USA
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2022, at 12:11, Franky Weber Faust <weber08weber_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All the config files moved to $ORACLE_BASE mainly because of the ROOH
>>> (read only Oracle Home) feature and that is the way 21c behaves. 21c OH is
>>> read only by default afaik.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> [image: LORE DATA]
>>> Franky Weber Faust
>>>
>>> Consultor de Banco de Dados | LORE DATA
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 12:20 AM P C <puravc_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Me too!
>>>>
>>>> So I read a little to understand why this change amd it is to separate
>>>> the installation from configuration…. makes sense!
>>>>
>>>> Looks like a step towards cloud….
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 6:04 AM, Mark J. Bobak <mark_at_bobak.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting...I had no idea! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:12 PM Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oracle home is not writable under 21c.
>>>>>> https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/21/ladbi/file-path-directory-changes-read-only-oracle-home.html#GUID-695D5458-A4AF-4F2A-AE4B-FB1062CF6014
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I discovered it the same way you just did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 2:09 PM Scott Canaan <srcdco_at_rit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m trying to create my first database in Oracle 21c. I want to do
>>>>>>> it manually the first time. I’m following the steps I’ve used in the past
>>>>>>> when creating an Oracle 19c container database, but I’m having a strange
>>>>>>> issue that I’ve never run into before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I try to create the database, it says it can’t find the
>>>>>>> init.ora file. The file is in the $ORACLE_HOME/dbs (/oracle/app/product/
>>>>>>> 21.0.0.0/dbs
>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://21.0.0.0/dbs__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!NFb1CShoVdnaTM0sbiGEBm7A_bMa64dGe-tBQ7a1ZFUevjSrQ3vM6kNgHipISqAbuE6bA7NY4RZHMjqe9K2UVi34$>)
>>>>>>> directory, as it always has been, but it is looking for it in the
>>>>>>> $ORACLE_BASE/dbs (/oracle/app/dbs) directory instead. Is this a change
>>>>>>> with 21c? The environment is configured the same as in the past. How do I
>>>>>>> fix it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Scott Canaan ‘88*
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Andrew W. Kerber
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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