Re: [External] : Re: Oracle 21c

Agreed!  The major problem is that, at a list price of US$17500/core, it is a little difficult to ignore unless you have a ULA.  It is possible to provision several substantial VMs in public cloud and still have change.

Infra costs are a fraction of Oracle licensing costs, never mind the non-discountable annual support subscriptions that nobody seems to want to bring up in TCO discussions.

I think Oracle is worth it, and so apparently do most of its customers, but additional licensing for the multi-tenant option is hard to justify without a ULA.

On 5/12/2022 6:03 AM, John Thomas wrote:
> There is one "big picture" selling point for CDBs.
>
> It allows you to share one large SGA on a server amongst a number of
> databases. Could save a fair bit of infrastructure costs if you ignore
> the mutli-tenant licence cost :-(
>
> Regards,
>
> John Thomas
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 13:24, Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> So as with the entire concept of CDB's, another solution in search
> of a problem.
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:56 PM Gerald Venzl
> <gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com> wrote:
>
> Read-Only Oracle Homes were introduced in 18c
> <https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/18/upgrd/understanding-read-only-oracle-homes.html#GUID-D848002A-DBAD-48FA-8467-E849630B8E42> and
> made the default in 21c.
> Thanks to this change, the Oracle software installation itself
> can be image-based.
> <https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/18/upgrd/image-based-oracle-database-installations.html#GUID-0315AA15-1C03-4E96-B801-3A8E5F5D4B39>
>
> There are a lot of benefits with ROOH and not tying the
> database configuration files to a particular OH location.
> For those of you on 19c, we highly encourage you to check this
> feature out and perhaps already make the move, as you will
> have to eventually anyway.
>
> Thx,
>
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>> On May 11, 2022, at 12:11, Franky Weber Faust
>> <weber08weber_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> All the config files moved to $ORACLE_BASE mainly because of
>> the ROOH (read only Oracle Home) feature and that is the way
>> 21c behaves. 21c OH is read only by default afaik.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LORE DATA
>> Franky Weber Faust
>> Consultor de Banco de Dados | LORE DATA
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>> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 12:20 AM P C <puravc_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Me too!
>>
>> So I read a little to understand why this change amd it
>> is to separate the installation from configuration….
>> makes sense!
>>
>> Looks like a step towards cloud….
>>
>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 6:04 AM, Mark J. Bobak
>> <mark_at_bobak.net> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting...I had no idea! :-)
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:12 PM Andrew Kerber
>> <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oracle home is not writable under 21c.
>> https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/21/ladbi/file-path-directory-changes-read-only-oracle-home.html#GUID-695D5458-A4AF-4F2A-AE4B-FB1062CF6014
>>
>>
>> I discovered it the same way you just did.
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 2:09 PM Scott Canaan
>> <srcdco_at_rit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I’m trying to create my first database in
>> Oracle 21c.  I want to do it manually the
>> first time.  I’m following the steps I’ve
>> used in the past when creating an Oracle 19c
>> container database, but I’m having a strange
>> issue that I’ve never run into before.
>>
>> When I try to create the database, it says it
>> can’t find the init.ora file.  The file is in
>> the $ORACLE_HOME/dbs
>> (/oracle/app/product/21.0.0.0/dbs
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://21.0.0.0/dbs__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!NFb1CShoVdnaTM0sbiGEBm7A_bMa64dGe-tBQ7a1ZFUevjSrQ3vM6kNgHipISqAbuE6bA7NY4RZHMjqe9K2UVi34$>)
>> directory, as it always has been, but it is
>> looking for it in the $ORACLE_BASE/dbs
>> (/oracle/app/dbs) directory instead.  Is this
>> a change with 21c? The environment is
>> configured the same as in the past.  How do I
>> fix it?
>>
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