Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question

Courtney,

Thank you so much for your carefully written response, but the statement "EM is not going anywhere" has many facets.

I think what is being asked (and to which we accept that you cannot and should not respond in this forum) is that nobody should be expecting future releases of EM.

Thanks!

-Tim

On 11/14/18 06:55, Courtney Llamas wrote:
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> Pete stop spreading vicious rumors ;)      EM is not going anywhere,
> just not the focus for Cloud deployments.  Folks with on-premises db’s
> can use either OEM or OMC, or a combination of the two.
>
> Send me the SR and I’ll have someone look into it ;)
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> *From:*Chris Stephens <cstephens16_at_gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:50 AM
> *To:* peter.sharman_at_westnet.com.au
> *Cc:* Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt_at_gmail.com>; oracle-l <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
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> this is the second oracle-l thread where the future of EM has been
> questioned. is the product going away in the future? will it be
> replaced by something else for shops that run their own databases?
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 6:03 PM <peter.sharman_at_westnet.com.au
> <mailto:peter.sharman_at_westnet.com.au>> wrote:
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> Looking at other options is not on the table, Tim.
>
> I make no comment about EOL for EM. :(
>
> Pete
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> Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
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> In the end, all products are EOL, but some are closer to EOL
> than others.
>
> With masking options from Informatica, IBM, Delphix, Red Gate,
> Dataveil, and others to choose from, each of which mask data
> across most all relational database platforms, as well as
> documents, it seems short-sighted to invest licensing money,
> time, and effort on masking one island of information within
> Oracle one way, and masking all other database platforms using
> other methods.  Because all confidential data in non-prod
> needs to be masked, not just Oracle.
>
> Full disclosure: I work for Delphix, and we do data masking
> at-rest across almost all databases and documents, including
> mainframe.
>
> In the past 4+ years, I have only once come up against data
> masking using the Oracle EM pack.  This company disliked their
> experiences masking with the Oracle pack because it generated
> complex SQL and PL/SQL to perform the masking within the
> database engine.  Masking algorithms are computationally
> intensive (i.e. encryption, hashing, list-processing, etc) and
> thus difficult to optimize in generated SQL and PL/SQL,
> performing poorly as they chew up CPU expensively licensed for
> database. When you charge as much as Oracle does based on CPU,
> you don't want that CPU doing anything but database workload.
>
> By contrast, each and all of the other data masking packages
> retrieve arrays of rows to an appserver, mask them in the
> appserver (typically a generic Linux server), then either
> insert them forward or update them back using ROWID, less
> reliance on the Oracle optimizer, and employing less expensive
> CPU for the computationally-intense masking workload,
> conserving the expensive database licensed CPUs for database
> workload.
>
> So when your customers regroup to mask across the enterprise
> instead of an island of Oracle, any of these masking vendors
> will be happy to solve that. Especially down under, on that
> super big island y'all have...  :)
>
>
> On 11/13/18 14:36, peter.sharman_at_westnet.com.au
> <mailto:peter.sharman_at_westnet.com.au> wrote:
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> Yes, I know, it’s unlike me to be asking a question on EM
> instead of answering one. 😊
>
> This is one I’ve never seen before.  I’ve been setting up
> Data Masking for a customer and we have a couple of
> different ADMs. Previously, the Referential Relationships
> screen showed no records, as the referential integrity is
> not defined in the database (not ideal, but that's how it
> is).  But now the screen is completely blank - no buttons,
> no screen saying no records found, nothing.  Anyone seen
> anything like that before?  Restarting the OMS didn't have
> any impact.  Logged an SR, but no response on it yet and
> the customer really wants to see some progress so trying
> all avenues to move this forward.
>
> EM 13.2 vanilla.
>
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>

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