Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS

I wrongly assumed it is OEL (=Oracle Enterprise Linux)

On 25.01.2018 16:37, Matthew Parker wrote:
>
> Once Hardware is taken out the picture you are left with Oracle
> Technical Stack from top to bottom that are supported 100% in working
> together and in the ability for you as the customer to deal with
> Oracle Support without questions.
>
> Cloud is just a word. We have had cloud forever, in a variety of
> implementations.
>
> Oracle Supports its own products working together. Oracle supports
> it’s products working in your environment as long as you follow the
> licensing requirements. The virtualization is where there has been
> bump in the road, because normally people want to use virtualization
> to cut licensing costs. Oracle created their licensing rules which
> includes what may happen if you hit a bug while running the products
> on the 3^rd Party virtualization. However, that bump in the road
> doesn’t apply when running the Oracle products on the Oracle products
> UEL/OVM. Also doesn’t apply when running Oracle products on IBM P
> series with hard partitioning or Oracle Solaris with portioning
> (Another Oracle Product).
>
> If those base systems are in someone’s cloud environment, you are
> supported as a customer, period.
>
> You are not certified, as again Oracle doesn’t certify 3^rd Party
> products unless you are running Oracle’s own products (Solaris, UEL, OVM)
>
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> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Hameed, Amir
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:21 AM
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> gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> *Subject:* RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> I under that Oracle does not /_certify_/ anyone’s products. However,
> the following statement uses the word /_supportability_/ which is not
> the same as certification:
>
> /Answer: As the licensing restriction documented above currently
> restricts the use of Oracle RAC in either Amazon’s AWS or Microsoft
> Windows Azure or any other ThirdParty Cloud for this matter, Oracle
> has ceased any supportability evaluation of ThirdParty Clouds for
> Oracle RAC in general./
>
> *From:*Matthew Parker [mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:16 AM
> *To:* Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com
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> *Subject:* RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> Yes and No.
>
> The concept would swirl around the word certified. Oracle doesn’t
> certify anyone’s third party products. The Cloud itself is a 3^rd
> party product.
>
> In IBM’s case for customer’s they are completely using Oracle Products
> except at the hardware layer (Non Exadata, Non ODA).
>
> Oracle worked with them on setup/configuration of the systems.
>
> They are completely supported as I stated below.
>
> Certified is a stamp of approval that doesn’t exist. On a side note
> IBM is a Diamond Level Oracle Partner and Oracle supports them in
> their activities. About as certified as you are going to get.
>
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> *From:*Hameed, Amir [mailto:Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:57 AM
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> *Subject:* RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> But your statement negates what Stefan had initially posted, doesn’t it?
>
> "The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering certified and
> supported to run Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) databases."
>
> *From:*Matthew Parker [mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:38 AM
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> *Subject:* RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> IBM runs the instances on UEL OVM which is supported.
>
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> *Subject:* RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> Our data center is exploring IBM’s IaaS as an option to host
> infrastructure. IBM has told them that they are a Platinum partner of
> Oracle and that they would support our RAC environments deployed on
> Oracle’s VMs on LINUX. So, if a software product, RAC in this case, is
> not certified by Oracle to run on third-party clouds then how are
> these vendors making these claims openly?
>
> Thanks
>
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> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Gerald Venzl
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:18 AM
> *To:* knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com <mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com>;
> oracle-l_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> *Subject:* Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> Certified is an understatement in this case.
>
> It’s not supported at all on Azure, full stop:
>
> /4) Apart from licensing, can RAC be supported on Third-Party Clouds?/
>
> /Answer: As the licensing restriction documented above currently
> restricts the use of Oracle RAC in either Amazon’s AWS or Microsoft
> Windows Azure or any other ThirdParty Cloud for this matter, Oracle
> has ceased any supportability evaluation of ThirdParty Clouds for
> Oracle RAC in general. That said, the lack of natively provided shared
> storage in addition to certain network restrictions that would need to
> be worked around on most Third-Party Clouds currently prevent Oracle
> from supporting any Third-Party Cloud for Oracle RAC presently and
> regardless of technical feasibility. /
>
> Thx,
>
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>
> Gerald Venzl | Senior Principal Product Manager
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> On Jan 25, 2018, at 06:09, Stefan Knecht <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com
> <mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> One thing not to be disregarded is the usual implication of
> running RAC on any non-Oracle virtualized platform is that it's
> not officially certified by Oracle. Depending on your client, that
> may be the end of discussion right there and then.
>
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/database/options/clustering/overview/rac-cloud-support-2843861.pdf
>
> "The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering certified
> and supported to run Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC)
> databases."
>
> Stefan
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