RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS

From: Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 07:37:43 -0800
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Once Hardware is taken out the picture you are left with Oracle Technical Stack from top to bottom that are supported 100% in working together and in the ability for you as the customer to deal with Oracle Support without questions.

Cloud is just a word. We have had cloud forever, in a variety of implementations.

Oracle Supports its own products working together. Oracle supports it’s products working in your environment as long as you follow the licensing requirements. The virtualization is where there has been bump in the road, because normally people want to use virtualization to cut licensing costs. Oracle created their licensing rules which includes what may happen if you hit a bug while running the products on the 3rd Party virtualization. However, that bump in the road doesn’t apply when running the Oracle products on the Oracle products UEL/OVM. Also doesn’t apply when running Oracle products on IBM P series with hard partitioning or Oracle Solaris with portioning (Another Oracle Product).

If those base systems are in someone’s cloud environment, you are supported as a customer, period.

You are not certified, as again Oracle doesn’t certify 3rd Party products unless you are running Oracle’s own products (Solaris, UEL, OVM)

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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Hameed, Amir Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:21 AM To: Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org Subject: RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS

I under that Oracle does not certify anyone’s products. However, the following statement uses the word supportability which is not the same as certification:

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Yes and No.

The concept would swirl around the word certified. Oracle doesn’t certify anyone’s third party products. The Cloud itself is a 3rd party product.

In IBM’s case for customer’s they are completely using Oracle Products except at the hardware layer (Non Exadata, Non ODA).

Oracle worked with them on setup/configuration of the systems.

They are completely supported as I stated below.

Certified is a stamp of approval that doesn’t exist. On a side note IBM is a Diamond Level Oracle Partner and Oracle supports them in their activities. About as certified as you are going to get.

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From: Hameed, Amir [mailto:Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:57 AM To: Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net <mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net> >; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com <mailto:gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com> ; knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com <mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com> ; oracle-l_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org> Subject: RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS

But your statement negates what Stefan had initially posted, doesn’t it?

"The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering certified and supported to run Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) databases."

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IBM runs the instances on UEL OVM which is supported.

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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Hameed, Amir Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:32 AM To: gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com <mailto:gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com> ; knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com <mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com> ; oracle-l_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org> Subject: RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS

Our data center is exploring IBM’s IaaS as an option to host infrastructure. IBM has told them that they are a Platinum partner of Oracle and that they would support our RAC environments deployed on Oracle’s VMs on LINUX. So, if a software product, RAC in this case, is not certified by Oracle to run on third-party clouds then how are these vendors making these claims openly?

Thanks

From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Venzl Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:18 AM To: knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com <mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com> ; oracle-l_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org> Subject: Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS

Certified is an understatement in this case.

It’s not supported at all on Azure, full stop:

4) Apart from licensing, can RAC be supported on Third-Party Clouds?

Answer: As the licensing restriction documented above currently restricts the use of Oracle RAC in either Amazon’s AWS or Microsoft Windows Azure or any other ThirdParty Cloud for this matter, Oracle has ceased any supportability evaluation of ThirdParty Clouds for Oracle RAC in general. That said, the lack of natively provided shared storage in addition to certain network restrictions that would need to be worked around on most Third-Party Clouds currently prevent Oracle from supporting any Third-Party Cloud for Oracle RAC presently and regardless of technical feasibility.

Thx,

On Jan 25, 2018, at 06:09, Stefan Knecht <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com <mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com> > wrote:

One thing not to be disregarded is the usual implication of running RAC on any non-Oracle virtualized platform is that it's not officially certified by Oracle. Depending on your client, that may be the end of discussion right there and then.

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/database/options/clustering/overview/rac-cloud-support-2843861.pdf

"The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering certified and supported to run Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) databases."

Stefan

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