Re:Oracle thinks we need these products - opinions please.

The "management" packs for OEM do NOT come cheap. The cost to us was = $5,184.00 each and $1140.48 each for yearly maintenance upgrades and = support. This is all for a 1 cpu Dell box running 7.3.4. Needles to say I = returned the 3 packs when they would not load properly on the Novell = network client and caused the current applications to fail. I now have = Quest products and am very pleased with them. ROR =AA=BF=AA
>>> dgoulet_at_vicr.com 10/18/00 12:46PM >>>
Jay,

    OEM is pretty good. I've been looking at third party tools for about = 2
years now & for the price there isn't much in the way of competition and = basic
functionality. Some of the third party tools have better graphics, but = they
also hide the raw facts which can lead you to incorrect conclusions. A = couple
believe that all users should have DBA privs which can lead to lost of = trouble.=20
One, unmentionable tool thought that all users should have privs to kill = others
sessions, imagine that!!

    As for parallel server, if your not planning on using it why pay for = it?=20
OK, the sales man wants a higher commission, so what else is new? End = answer,
HELL NO. Dick Goulet

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Author: Jay Hostetter <jhostetter_at_decommunications.com>
Date:       10/17/00 2:22 PM

  We are in the midst of negotiating a new licensing agreement with Oracle. Their salesmen are pushing our management to go with Parallel Server and also the database management packs. I would like pros and cons from those of you who have experience with these Oracle products.

OPS - As far as I am concerned, we don't need it. It adds some administrative headaches. However, Oracle is claiming that it is much easier to install and use with 8i. My argument is that if we can afford 3 minutes of down time while we fail our database over to another node in the cluster, then we don't need OPS. We are in a Compaq Tru64 clustered environment. We can fail our databases to another node automatically in minutes. We don't need to distribute the work load across nodes. Since I don't have first hand experience with OPS, I can't tell management what the "costs" will be to implement it (using raw devices, upgrading, etc.). Are there any, or is it pretty simple to implement?

Management Packs - I played around with OEM when it first came out and found it to quite buggy. I believe you need OEM to use the management packs. Is anybody happy with OEM? Do you like the management packs better than 3rd party tuning products?

Thank you

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Jay Hostetter
Oracle DBA
D. and E. Communications
Ephrata PA USA


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