You're becoming a lawyer too? C'ya in court.
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Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
-----Original Message-----
Rachel Carmichael
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:04 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
You keep putting me into a class in which I do not belong -- but I thank
you.
I have OCP through 8i, but only because I made it a point of honor to see if
I could pass the exams without ever studying for them, and, in the case of
the 8 and 8i certification, without ever having seen a database running in
those versions. (I take standardized tests REALLY well).
I have no intention of gathering further pieces of paper. But I also plan at
some point to leave this field, so I will be gathering different bits of
paper instead.
--- Rodd Holman <roddholman_at_hotpop.com> wrote:
> In addition, some non-tech HR wag does their screening of applicants
> based on OCP, Oracle Master's, or some such certification. Yes,
> certification is an
> issue whether or not it has technical merit. When it comes at a
> price that
> many of us can't personnaly afford, it's a very BIG issue. I don't
> know if
> Rachel, Carey, and the rest of the "Real Masters" have their piece of
> paper
> from Oracle, but can you imagine them being screened out from a
> position
> because someone who is not in the community and doesn't know their
> rep's
> round files thier resume/CV because it's missing the appropriate
> letters
> after their name? Attrocious!
>
> I'm all for Oracle making money, just not at the expense of their
> proponents.
> As Mladen states PostgreSQL is starting to look pretty good. MySQL
> is also
> gaining headway.
>
> --
> Rodd Holman
> roddholman_at_hotpop.com
>
> On Thursday 04 September 2003 11:54, Mladen Gogala wrote:
> > My complaint is not based on moral grounds. My complaint is that
> Oracle's
> > greed is interfering
> > with my own. There is drastic difference in the behavior of Oracle
> Corp.
> > from the times before
> > Oracle 8.0 and after. Support has worsened, the quality of the code
> is
> > falling, bugs are more
> > and more numerous and serious, vaporware is a commonplace (OEM
> Change
> > Management pack, OID)
> > and there are new and new certifications to make to stay in less
> and less
> > lucrative business.
> > You're right, I have decisions to make: to stay in oracle DBA
> business or
> > to move on. I believe
> > that less and less opportunity to make money in that market is
> going to
> > force me to move out.
> > As for application development business, we've just seen what
> happens when
> > somebody's
> > successful: an out of control giant takes him down, or at least
> tries to
> > so. I'm not
> > proposing socialism, as a citizen of a former communist country I'm
> more
> > disgusted with
> > the communism then you'll ever be, what I will do is to move on to
> the
> > market which doesn't
> > have a greedy giant which wants a cut in everything I make. It's as
> simple
> > as that.
> > Oracle started to behave as if it was a monopoly. Guess what,
> monopolies
> > are the
> > reason which compelled me to switch to Linux. I can do it again. My
> message
> > is
> > that Oracle is no longer friendly to the techies that were
> spreading the
> > good word,
> > and, as far as I'm concerned, the techies are looking for exit.
> Good luck
> > to you
> > and Larry.
> >
> > --
> > Mladen Gogala
> > Oracle DBA
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:36 AM
> > To: 'Mladen Gogala '; 'Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L '
> >
> >
> > With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints
> about
> > greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified
> and the
> > dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit
> > venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything
> affordable. It's
> > the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the
> expectation of
> > Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a
> thing. I
> > don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so
> what? Why
> > does that compel him to give you anything?
> >
> > It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes
> or OCP
> > exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change
> things. If
> > people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola,
> they
> > have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too.
> >
> > Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. If the OCP Masters
> credentials
> > are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend
> it. If
> > enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen.
> Thats how
> > a market driven economy works.
> >
> > RF
>
>
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