RE: RE: Oracle Masters exam

I don't believe that you can be an owner of a consultant. This practice was stopped, I believe, in 1865, in the Appomatox courthouse.

   Virgil Caine is my name and I drove on the Danville train    'til so much cavalry came and tore up the tracks again    In the winter of '65, we were hungry, just barely alive    I took the train to Richmond that fell    It was a time I remember, oh, so well

   The night they drove old Dixie down
   And all the bells were ringin'
   The night they drove old Dixie down
   And all the people were singin'
   They went, "Na, na, na, na, na, na, .... "

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Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA 



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well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP
is important for most people. Employers want it. 

Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal
consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell
your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be
consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. 

Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to
increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies.

btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne
books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even
though coriolis went under? 




> 

> From: "Pete Sharman" <peter.sharman_at_oracle.com>

> Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT

> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>

> Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam

> 

> Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the 

> certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification:

> 

> 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by 

> Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could 

> review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could 

> write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write 

> an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was 

> completed.

> 

> Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification?  :)

> 

> Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it.  It's 

> something that really does test you know how to manage a database.  

> You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it.  I 

> was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we 

> had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones 

> that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any 

> qualms), and we all found the two days very tough.

> 

> 

> Pete

> 

> "Controlling developers is like herding cats."

> Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook

> 

> "Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!"

> Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA.

> 

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> Mladen Gogala

> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM

> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> 

> 

> So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you 

> spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it 

> take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot 

> backup.

> 

> --

> Mladen Gogala

> Oracle DBA

> 

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> Sharman

> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM

> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> 

> 

> And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate 

> what Reichert said in the article.  You really do have to have the 

> hands on experience to pass it.  I've been using Oracle for something 

> like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so 

> of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat 

> through.

> 

> 

> Pete

> 

> "Controlling developers is like herding cats."

> Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook

> 

> "Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!"

> Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA.

> 

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> Boivin, Patrice J

> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM

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> 

> 

> Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program...

> 

> http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html

> 

> Patrice.

> 

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