Re: c.d.theory glossary - RELATION
From: mAsterdam <mAsterdam_at_vrijdag.org>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:13:27 +0200
Message-ID: <40927b31$0$557$e4fe514c_at_news.xs4all.nl>
>>x wrote:
>>>mAsterdam wrote:
>>>>x wrote:
>>>>>Laconic2 wrote:
>>>>>> I would have said that "An entity is DESCRIBED BY
>>>>>> a set of attributes."
>>>>>>I think REPRESENTED is too strong.
>>[snip]
>>>>In short
>>>>RM.REPRESENT yes, *facts*.
>>>>ER.REPRESENT yes, *things*.
>>>
>>>If you look in a dictionary you'll find:
>>> Fact: someTHING that exists (or happened).
>>
>>At http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=fact
>>
>>I find:
>> Definition:
>>
>> 1. [n] a piece of information about circumstances that exist or
>>events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the
>>case"
>> 2. [n] a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses
>>are not facts"
>> 3. [n] a statement or assertion of verified information about
>>something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument
>>with an impressive array of facts"
>> 4. [n] an event known to have happened or something known to have
>>existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is
>>fact and how much fiction is hard to tell"
>>
>>
>>I'ld say a _fact_ is about a _thing_ (or things).
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:13:27 +0200
Message-ID: <40927b31$0$557$e4fe514c_at_news.xs4all.nl>
x wrote:
> mAsterdam wrote:
>>x wrote:
>>>mAsterdam wrote:
>>>>x wrote:
>>>>>Laconic2 wrote:
>>>>>> I would have said that "An entity is DESCRIBED BY
>>>>>> a set of attributes."
>>>>>>I think REPRESENTED is too strong.
>>[snip]
>>>>In short
>>>>RM.REPRESENT yes, *facts*.
>>>>ER.REPRESENT yes, *things*.
>>>
>>>If you look in a dictionary you'll find:
>>> Fact: someTHING that exists (or happened).
>>
>>At http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=fact
>>
>>I find:
>> Definition:
>>
>> 1. [n] a piece of information about circumstances that exist or
>>events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the
>>case"
>> 2. [n] a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses
>>are not facts"
>> 3. [n] a statement or assertion of verified information about
>>something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument
>>with an impressive array of facts"
>> 4. [n] an event known to have happened or something known to have
>>existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is
>>fact and how much fiction is hard to tell"
>>
>>
>>I'ld say a _fact_ is about a _thing_ (or things).
> > fact (fakt) n. > 1. something that actually exists; reality; > truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. > 2. something known to exist or to have > happened. > 3. a truth known by actual experience or > observation; something known to be true: > scientific facts about plant growth. > 4. something said to be true or supposed to > have happened. > 5. an actual or alleged event or > circumstance, as distinguished from its > legal effect or consequence.
These sure do not have the sense of 'aboutness' I have, and saw confirmed at http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=fact
Equating 'fact' and 'thing' gives me an uneasy feeling. Just curious: what was the source of this definition? Received on Fri Apr 30 2004 - 18:13:27 CEST