Re: OMLETv4 The Ultimate Visual Real Time Oracle Monitoring Tool

From: Joel Garry <joel-garry_at_home.com>
Date: 16 Jun 2004 15:28:56 -0700
Message-ID: <91884734.0406161428.4ea1858a@posting.google.com>

amjadd_at_uop.edu.jo (omlet v4) wrote in message news:<604b7892.0406160311.227d65e3_at_posting.google.com>...

> "Niall Litchfield" <niall.litchfield_at_dial.pipex.com> wrote in message news:<40cf4d3f$0$20514$cc9e4d1f_at_news-text.dial.pipex.com>...

> > "omlet v4" <amjadd_at_uop.edu.jo> wrote in message
> > news:604b7892.0406150101.1fc549bc_at_posting.google.com...
> > > "Niall Litchfield" <niall.litchfield_at_dial.pipex.com> wrote in message

>  news:<40c8c691$0$20517$cc9e4d1f_at_news-text.dial.pipex.com>...

> > > > Oh and it causes ora-0600s with intermedia on a regular basis, it can

>  cause


> > > > wrong results even in 9205 with decode,it can cause type comilation?

> > >

> > > Please enlighten me? What is type
> > > comilation?????????????????????????????
> >
> > Its an obvious typo for those who can read English. The letter p is missing.

> 
> I see! You really deserve a medal for correctly explaining this. I
> thought it ryhms with your status quo: mutilations!

Dang, I thought he meant something about eating up performance :-)

> >
> > > > with ora-0600 and various other interesting side effects from trying to

>  deal


> > > > with the symptoms and not the cause.

> > > >
> > > > Other than that of course pefectly safe....
> >
> > what, no comment on pefectly? - somehow I'm disappointed.

> 
> So am I! what is this world coming to?!
>

> >
> > > I always suspected that the Oracle server is an error-laden product.
> >
> > I always suspected that databases ran better when the server casing was
> > pink - unfortunately there is as yet no proof for this assertion.
>
> I guess your status quo is now: pinky

Never trust an Andorean.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/aliens/article/70538.html

> >
> > > Trust me when I left Oracle, everything was in perfect order. Damn
> > > those I????? and those A?????. Please be more specific and file these
> > > errors with Oracle Support.
> >
> > Well - you know what - I have had cause to log a number of calls with Oracle
> > support over the years. A significant number have been related to setting
> > CURSOR_SHARING to other than the default. This was rather my point. If you
> > follow your installation instructions for your product, you will a) change
> > the performance characteristics of the database that you are looking at - a
> > very bad thing indeed for a 'monitoring' tool. and b) make your clients apps
> > more likely to fail totally.

> 
> I might at somepoint decide to listen to fools; but the product does
> not require this parameter set to anything. However once you turn
> timed_stats on
> you are querying lots of x$ tables and this is done using views,
> select statements, etc. and you would reduce overhead. Not much
> really; just in the range of few points 2%-5%. OMLET paints pretty
> picture for you using SQL and that involves overhead.
> 
> But I guess you already know that! The original message I posted for
> "leading experts" I really did not mean YOU; Pinky.
>

> >
> > In what may well be a rather vain attempt to be constructive I'd suggest
> > that

> 
> I thought you would list those as well:
> 
> <quote>
> "
> 1) Visit Google and hunt around for advice. 
> 
> 2) Take nothing on face value: test it yourself to destruction. 
> 
> 3) Lurk here for a month or two, and try and pick up on the sort of
> questions being asked, and ask yourself how *you* would answer them.
> Then see what answers actually come through, and compare. When you're
> feeling brave, post some of your answers and see how they are taken by
> people.
> 
> 4) Buy books. Anything with the names Jonathan Lewis, or Thomas Kyte
> on the cover are *extremely* good bets for accurate advice. O'Reilly
> are good. As are Apress (used to be Wrox)
> 
> 5) Avoid anything that mentions OCP (Oracle Certified Professional).
> The qualification is not worth a damn, and leads you straight into
> myth territory.
> "
> </quote>
> 
> I wonder what Oracle or OCPs feel about your accusations. Let me get
> this, you publish all this on your web site and you are a PINKY
> angel!?

Well, as an OCP, and someone who watched it spring into existence and has followed it closely, I'd say he's right, although I am starting to see it in job postings, and have posted previously what I think the usefulness is. As for the rest, I think most anyone from Oracle who has followed his posts would see he is more reasonable than you. I wouldn't be surprised if Oracle OCP management is aware of what has been said here. I think they care, too, even if only to keep the revenue stream up. And perhaps some read even the worst comments about OCP here as constructive criticism.

> >
> > 1. You rethink your documentation and requirements.
> > 2. You think about what effect being publicly abusive and unhelpful has on

> 
> I am just follwing you lead; PINKY! You are not worth your PINK case.
>

> > your target market.

> 
> newsjunkies are not my market! I mean newsjunkies who lurk here or
> there for a month or two! and again not you PINKY. I solicited
> "leading experts" help and review which I think I got none. I expected
> what you and people like PINKY would answer. Actually I am having FUN
> especially with PINKYs! Give it a rest!

Let's see. You made yourself a nuisance in a newsgroup and now are complaining that they didn't help. Is that really fun? Could the real problem here not be the group?

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