Re: [External] : Re: Oracle 21c

Huh. I have been doing out of place patching and out of place upgrades since at least oracle 10.2. I never realized we needed a whole new paradigm in order to do them successfully.

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 11:37 AM Gerald Venzl <gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com> wrote:

> Actually, it’s a solution to many problems and something that many
> customers wanted us to do for quite a long time.
> If you think about it, it doesn’t really make sense to co-locate database
> specific configuration and log files with the software binaries.
> The Oracle Home binaries could be used for many databases on the server,
> not just one, and the configuration files for a database are part of the
> database itself, not the software installation.
> When you think about an ASM configuration, parts of that has already
> happened for years, for example, that the SPFILE residing in ASM as well.
>
> So what are the benefits? Simple:
>
> As Oracle allows for out of place patching
> <https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E91266_01/OPTCH/GUID-10EF5AF2-BB81-488B-8F5A-362C04E4E6BE.htm#OPTCH675>
> and out of place upgrades
> <https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/19/cwlin/understanding-out-of-place-upgrades.html#GUID-88AB25ED-D20C-41A4-92BC-05A88EB76BC7>,
> if you no longer attach your database config and log files to the software
> binaries themselves, you can now do something like fleet out of place
> patching/upgrade.
> Let’s stick with patching for a moment, instead of applying say an RU 100
> times in 100 different Oracle Homes for 100 different databases on 100
> different servers, one can apply the RU once in a new home, and then send
> that new home to these 100 locations all at once and restart the Oracle
> Database with the patched Oracle Home.
> Not easily doable if you have to carry forward the config and log files
> into the new Oracle Home, but super easy if you don’t.
> Same thing goes for upgrade.
> Does it automate the entire process, no, not really and we have other
> tools to help with that, like FFP, but it’s an important part to enable
> that.
>
> Another simple reason, security.
> Why having write access to the Oracle Home when there are only binaries
> and libraries?
> Well, we needed to because of the config and log files.
> But if you move them out of the Oracle Home, you can now make the home
> read-only and add another layer of security so that nobody can inject or
> swap some binary/library at the OS level.
> That was actually the majority of customer requests, security.
> The two obviously can also go hand-in-hand, you build and sign-off a
> patched Oracle Home one time and then send that to your servers, knowing
> that these are read-only and signed.
> Not a new concept either, so it makes sense that customers like that
> solution.
>
> Does everybody need read-only Oracle Homes?
> No, obviously there are plenty of installations where one doesn’t care
> about the benefits, like me with my local DB on my laptop.
>
> However, are there any downsides to them?
> Not really, other than perhaps some grumpy users that have to change the
> way they were doing things for N years rather than embracing the change and
> asking for what the real benefits are and how it could also make their
> lives easier…
>
> Thx,
>
> ---------------
>
> Gerald Venzl | Distinguished Product Manager
> Email: gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com
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>
> On May 12, 2022, at 05:24, Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So as with the entire concept of CDB's, another solution in search of a
> problem.
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:56 PM Gerald Venzl <gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Read-Only Oracle Homes were introduced in 18c
>> <https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/18/upgrd/understanding-read-only-oracle-homes.html#GUID-D848002A-DBAD-48FA-8467-E849630B8E42> and
>> made the default in 21c.
>> Thanks to this change, the Oracle software installation itself can be
>> image-based.
>> <https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/18/upgrd/image-based-oracle-database-installations.html#GUID-0315AA15-1C03-4E96-B801-3A8E5F5D4B39>
>>
>> There are a lot of benefits with ROOH and not tying the database
>> configuration files to a particular OH location.
>> For those of you on 19c, we highly encourage you to check this feature
>> out and perhaps already make the move, as you will have to eventually
>> anyway.
>>
>> Thx,
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>> Gerald Venzl | Distinguished Product Manager
>> Email: gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com
>> Oracle ST & Database Development
>> 400 Oracle Parkway | Redwood Shores | 94065 | USA
>>
>> On May 11, 2022, at 12:11, Franky Weber Faust <weber08weber_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> All the config files moved to $ORACLE_BASE mainly because of the ROOH
>> (read only Oracle Home) feature and that is the way 21c behaves. 21c OH is
>> read only by default afaik.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> [image: LORE DATA]
>> Franky Weber Faust
>>
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>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 12:20 AM P C <puravc_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Me too!
>>>
>>> So I read a little to understand why this change amd it is to separate
>>> the installation from configuration…. makes sense!
>>>
>>> Looks like a step towards cloud….
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 6:04 AM, Mark J. Bobak <mark_at_bobak.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting...I had no idea! :-)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 3:12 PM Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oracle home is not writable under 21c.
>>>>> https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/21/ladbi/file-path-directory-changes-read-only-oracle-home.html#GUID-695D5458-A4AF-4F2A-AE4B-FB1062CF6014
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I discovered it the same way you just did.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 2:09 PM Scott Canaan <srcdco_at_rit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m trying to create my first database in Oracle 21c. I want to do
>>>>>> it manually the first time. I’m following the steps I’ve used in the past
>>>>>> when creating an Oracle 19c container database, but I’m having a strange
>>>>>> issue that I’ve never run into before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I try to create the database, it says it can’t find the init.ora
>>>>>> file. The file is in the $ORACLE_HOME/dbs (/oracle/app/product/
>>>>>> 21.0.0.0/dbs
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://21.0.0.0/dbs__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!NFb1CShoVdnaTM0sbiGEBm7A_bMa64dGe-tBQ7a1ZFUevjSrQ3vM6kNgHipISqAbuE6bA7NY4RZHMjqe9K2UVi34$>)
>>>>>> directory, as it always has been, but it is looking for it in the
>>>>>> $ORACLE_BASE/dbs (/oracle/app/dbs) directory instead. Is this a change
>>>>>> with 21c? The environment is configured the same as in the past. How do I
>>>>>> fix it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Scott Canaan ‘88*
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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