RE: Increased PGA requirements for SORTs in 19c?

and with no concurrency set for the union all, the union all with max runs in about the same time for my baby dataset:  

13:36:45 SQL> r

  1 select max(a), max(b)

  2 from

  3 (select count(distinct access_order) A, 0 B from test42

  4 union all

  5* select 0 A, count(distinct action_x2) B from test42)  

    MAX(A) MAX(B)

• ----------

   4000000 6  

Elapsed: 00:00:03.29  

That’s it. I can stop anytime, really. I’m shutting my test database down right now.  

Anyway, usually you don’t get a hangover from my particular addiction.  

Back to you, JL.  

From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Mark W. Farnham Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 1:27 PM To: mwf_at_rsiz.com; 'Jonathan Lewis'
Cc: 'Tefft, Michael J'; 'ORACLE-L'
Subject: RE: Increased PGA requirements for SORTs in 19c?  

so this seems to work syntactically:  

13:08:30 SQL> r

  1 with a as (select count(distinct access_order) "d_access_order" from test42)

  2 ,

  3 b as (select count(distinct action_x2) "d_action_x2" from test42)

  4* select a.*, b.* from a,b  

d_access_order d_action_x2

• -----------

       4000000 6  

Elapsed: 00:00:03.35

13:08:35 SQL> and it seems to be about the sum of the two separate count distincts and about twice as fast as the simplest writing of count(distinct):  

13:13:55 SQL> select count(distinct access_order) from test42;  

COUNT(DISTINCTACCESS_ORDER)

                    4000000

 

Elapsed: 00:00:01.05

13:16:06 SQL> select count(distinct action_x2) from test42;  

COUNT(DISTINCTACTION_X2)

                       6

 

Elapsed: 00:00:01.38

13:16:23 SQL> select count(distinct access_order), count(distinct action_x2) from test42;  

COUNT(DISTINCTACCESS_ORDER) COUNT(DISTINCTACTION_X2)

• ------------------------

                    4000000                        6

 

Elapsed: 00:00:06.87

13:16:57 SQL>   So in this very simple case it seems to be a useful thing to do when required. I leave site specific details about pga requirements to the reader, because I really have grown lazy.  

I can still probably be bribed out of the woodwork if someone has something interesting to be done 100% remote.  

All the best, I hope the original poster can give this a try in situ. I am supposing it scales linearly with number of aggregate columns in elapsed time whereas the union all version might allow each component of the union all with max version to run in parallel if on a version where you can run union all components concurrently, but that would not be the lowest memory high water mark for the query, right?  

Anyway, good luck.  

mwf  

From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Mark W. Farnham Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 9:24 AM To: 'Jonathan Lewis'
Cc: 'Tefft, Michael J'; 'ORACLE-L'
Subject: RE: Increased PGA requirements for SORTs in 19c?  

(ergo my preemptive alibi. I make mistakes all the time, so it is less embarrassing for me than you. (wink. and make sure you work that out as a compliment since I realized as typing it someone could possibly interpret it differently.)  

I guess a series of “with” definitions (one for each column) might eliminate the need for the union all and max function, but that might require a no_merge hint. That’s also probably more friendly if there are additional columns for aggregate group-by distinct counts. It gets complicated fast.  

If you know the index structures any columns grouped together in an index might be grouped together in a particular “with” but that would be a one off operation for each query as a method.  

I suspect timing each individual query with a single distinct column is probably a decent “is this worth testing overall” litmus for the concept.  

From: Jonathan Lewis [mailto:jlewisoracle_at_gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 9:06 AM To: Mark W. Farnham
Cc: Tefft, Michael J; ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Increased PGA requirements for SORTs in 19c?    

Mark,  

You're braver than me - that's exactly the sort of thing but I didn't want to try typing it in without having a database in front of me to check syntax, spelling, and punctuation.  

Regards

Jonathan Lewis    

On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 13:59, Mark W. Farnham <mwf_at_rsiz.com> wrote:

something like  

select max(a),max(b)

   from

   (select count(distinct a),0 “b” from tab

    union all

    select 0 “a”, count(distinct b) from tab)  

so each select can use the fastest method to get the distinct count of its column and the union all only has the number of columns required as its number of rows to unionize. Then each independent distinct would need only whatever temporary memory its plan might require (possibly nearly nothing) saving its single row result set also in nearly nothing for which the union all to operate on. You might need to cast the literal to match the type thrown by count.  

direct from fingers, didn’t test syntax, just couldn’t work out your missing word or words after “the” so checking if I understood your meaning.  

From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Lewis Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 7:49 AM To: Tefft, Michael J
Cc: ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Increased PGA requirements for SORTs in 19c?    

Michael,  

Thanks for the comments, possibly the non-appearance of the "hash group by" relates to something in

https://jonathanlewis.wordpress.com/2018/07/14/quiz-night-33/  

A thought I've had about multiple count(distinct) in a select query is that there may be cases where you could benefit by rewriting the query first as a union all of queries that each handle one of the count(distincts) - since each would then be subject to the and then aggregate across the union all.  

Regards

Jonathan Lewis        

On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 12:37, Tefft, Michael J <Michael.J.Tefft_at_snapon.com> wrote:

As a separate workaround, I was trying to force the queries to use hash aggregation instead of sort aggregation. I was able to get one query to use the HASH GROUP BY (which was also restored good performance) but was unable to get another to bend to my will. This is why I was searching for hash aggregation articles.  

I did get results from the sort traces, in our non-production 19c environment. I had not yet attempted to get them from our 12.2 environment, which is production and is subject to change-control procedures. In the meantime I found this solution.  

I spent years as a data modeler; to see such columns defined as VARCHAR2(4000) when they would never need to be such a size is…disappointing.  

If I have time, I will try to construct a simple test case.  

Mike  

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That's very interesting,

Thanks for posting your conclusions.

Do you have a small model / test case that you could post for tother people to play around with ?  

Since you mention hash aggregation does that mean you didn't actually get any results for the 10032 / 10033 traces which are for sorting only, not for hashing ?  

Regards

Jonathan Lewis      

On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 11:50, Tefft, Michael J <Michael.J.Tefft_at_snapon.com> wrote:

Thanks to all for your advice.  

We have found a workaround for this issue.  

The query involves a view that uses a GROUP BY to 'pivot' a table's VARCHAR2(4000) column into over 20 copies of this column. The data in the column never has more than 33 characters. But the optimizer seems to be using the maximum (declared) column size to determine its memory needs - which has spilled over to TEMP demands as well.  

This seems to be a change in behavior from 12.2 to 19c. The disparity in memory allocation suggests that the previous version probably used the column statistics to plan the memory/temp requirement: we observed roughly a 100x increase in PGA+TEMP and the difference between 'declared' data size and statistics of the column data size is also roughly 100x.  

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