RE: DG with EBS on EE

With respect to the word “customizations” there is a very important distinction between “configuration” and “customization.” Likewise “customizations” to do things like match printer output to your “custom” printed forms, like purchase orders, shipping pick lists, build to order instructions, check stock or a particular bank’s ach requirements are not considered licensable events.  

I’m a little out of date on the exact details, but the historic agreement with the users’ group is that if you use technology merely in support of EBS requirements, you’re cool.  

For example: Configure an existing workflow to match your requirements? Should be no license for the workflow. Build a new custom workflow: License fee.  

Finally, check your CONTRACT, and do not rely on the words of any salesman. While it is a “nice to have” that your salesman is in harmony with your CONTRACT, neither a saleswoman nor LMS can change your CONTRACT.

Check with a lawyer if in doubt. I am NOT a lawyer. There are some well-known firms that specialize in understanding your CONTRACT with Oracle who do employ lawyers expert in this field. For large companies a joint meeting with in-house counsel, one of these firm’s lawyers, plus technical and application functional leads so that both the specialist firm and your in-house counsel understand your requirements probably strategically saves money. Then all but the lawyers leave when things are clear and the lawyers dice and parse any requirements in preparation for telling the Oracle salesman what you would like in your contract (meaning which options you buy and don’t buy, because only a handful of companies get actual legal variance from the boilerplate.)  

Good luck. I will now resume my moratorium from discussing license terms, probably forever. Please do clean up anything I got wrong: Things change.  

mwf    

From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Alfredo Abate Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:48 PM
To: justin_at_n0de.ws
Cc: arjen.visser_at_gmail.com; ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: DG with EBS on EE  

Hi Arjen,  

I can see where this can get very confusing when it comes to E-Business Suite. The reason being is the whole restricted usage licensing of the EE database with Oracle EBS. To my understanding, the restricted usage licensing of the Oracle EE database with EBS only pertains to folks that don't customize anything. That is you are using EBS plain vanilla out of the box. The minute certain customizations are made, you are paying for the Oracle database license on your primary server. That goes for the application server technology stack too (iAS or WebLogic). I don't believe there are too many businesses using Oracle EBS without customizations, thus most are paying for Oracle EE DB licenses (like at the company I work for).  

So if you are using EBS and paying for EE database licenses on the primary, then your DG standby DB will be licensed as well.  

Where it gets tricky is if you really are using the restricted usage EE database licensing. Do you get the standby for free as well? It's possible but I don't have an answer for that but I could see where folks would think that.  

The usual disclaimer, check with your Oracle account rep to see what the contract states. :)  

Alfredo  

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:26 PM Justin Mungal <justin_at_n0de.ws> wrote:

In this context, the confusion would probably be in what "free" actually means. It's free in that it's not an extra cost option (unless you want to use Active Data Guard). You still have to license the standby instance, like Mladen said.  

 <https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/18/dblic/Licensing-Information.html#GUID-B6113390-9586-46D7-9008-DCC9EDA45AB4> https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/18/dblic/Licensing-Information.html#GUID-B6113390-9586-46D7-9008-DCC9EDA45AB4  

But whatever I or anyone else on this list tells you, make sure you confirm your understanding with your Oracle sales person and get something in writing so that they can't come back and squeeze you for more money down the line.    

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 3:59 PM Arjen Visser <arjen.visser_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all,
There seems to be some confusion with DataGuard (DG) licensing on EE and Oracle E-Business Suite (EBS).

Some say you get DG for free because you are on EE. Others insists DG costs extra with EBS on EE, because EE is on a restricted license.

Does anyone have more information on this? Is there a definitve answer?

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