Re: Oracle and Docker partnership details?

Sorry about this very very basic/beginner question...

but is there a link or documentation someone can point to where I can read about how oracle on docker is going to make things so drastically different for developers/any organization? what was missing all these days and why is this such a big deal..

I am trying to still get a grasp at things & want to understand the high level difference between

• editioning feature that comes as part of db
• vm ( each developer runs his own db to do unit test)
• multi-tenant ( developer can own a copy of prod db.. in isolation where things can be tested )
• application container ( 12.2) & now docker ( where entire stack is in a container)

Thanks in advance.

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Ryan January <rjanuary_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> That's certainly an understandable position. Continuing with the
> assumption that AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris all vanish. Docker is not Linux
> only. Docker on windows is currently an option
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/
> windowscontainers/quick-start/quick-start-windows-server. Would I use
> it, probably not. I'm not a fan of windows in the first place. Not
> relevant to the Oracle discussion, but not only does Microsoft have docker
> images for MS SQL server, they beat Oracle to that punch.
> https://hub.docker.com/r/microsoft/mssql-server-linux/
>
> The only thing I can say is that I'm glad Oracle is giving those with a
> more progressive attitude more options. Conversely; it's also great
> they're not changing things for people that want to wait for the next
> thing. The OUI is still the OUI, nothing has changed there. It's my
> opinion that the less I see it the better. For me it's wasted cycles I
> should spend making progress with the business.
>
> I've (both personally and within business) been focusing much less on
> Oracle in the past few years. The decision is multifaceted, but one large
> reason is that they've not been what I would call cloud friendly.
> (Obviously barring the Oracle cloud which is a completely different
> discussion) It's not perfect, but this is positive visible progress. I
> can already think of areas in which this is a viable option for me. I'm
> watching with interest.
>
> On Apr 21, 2017, at 11:39 PM, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On 04/21/2017 09:56 AM, Ryan January wrote:
>
> I do think it's fantastic that Oracle is trying to get up to date with
> modern deployment practices, getting us freed from the archaic install
> process.
>
>
> Well, that "archaic install process" is necessary if Oracle wants to
> support things like AIX, Windows, HP-UX and last but certainly not least,
> Solaris. Docker is a Linux-only platform. Sure, AIX, HP-UX and Solaris may
> vanish, but I doubt that Windows is going anywhere soon. So let's place
> Docker where it belongs: into the Linux world. The future of Docker also
> depends on what will the Microsoft do with their database, which is coming
> to Linux, this time not as an April fool's joke. If there is a database
> with more installed instances than Oracle, that's SQL Server. SQL Server
> 2016 has a row level locking, in-memory component which holds both row and
> column representation of the table in memory, a technology pioneered by
> something called "Blu Acceleration" almost a year before Oracle 12c, and
> the right to create partitioned tables with no extra license costs and will
> be a formidable competitor to Oracle, right from the start. If MS doesn't
> do Docker, that will be a big snag for Docker. And it doesn't look like MS
> will do Docker. MS chose Ubuntu as their foremost Linux platform and there
> is no SQL Server snap available. For those who don't know, snappy is a
> Ubuntu version of Docker:
>
> https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy
>
> I was looking for a SQL Server snap, because I am running Ubuntu on my
> desktop. As a matter of fact, this very message is written on Ubuntu
> desktop.
>
> Any progress is great in my eyes.
>
>
> It's questionable whether installing Oracle with Docker is a progress. One
> size fits all installation will not be as easy to adjust to powerful
> machines people usually use as DB servers. I know that Oracle is pushing
> Docker hard, but Oracle doesn't have a Midas touch. Some things that Oracle
> has bought have turned into mufflers: Hyperion, x10 and WebLogic are prime
> examples. I guess it's a different kind of Midas touch.
>
> I'm just looking at it very skeptically before I start talking about it
> more with our devs. Is this just a PR spin, trying to get everyone excited
> about Oracle cloud?
>
>
> It may well be the case. Amazon and Azure are far ahead of Oracle in the
> cloud game. IBM Bluemix is a very serious competitor, too. I am not sure
> that mixing Docker into the Oracle cloud offering will be such a
> revolution. It remains to be seen. As opposed to many others on this list,
> I am adopting wait and see attitude when Docker is in question. I was once
> berated on this list,
> by being told that Docker is now a $1G venture. To answer that, I can only
> remind people that Lehman Brothers was a $600G venture.
>
>
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> Mladen Gogala
> Oracle DBA
> Tel: (347) 321-1217
>
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