Re: Clone tool
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:06:59 -0400
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Full disclosure: I am a Delphix employee and have been watching from the sidelines but ran out of popcorn.
Mladen, this is getting kind of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” isn’t it?
The original question was: "I would like to Know from your experience what you do for cloning a large database(10TB) fastly ? iam using duplicate or restore with RMAN but it takes too much time !.”
Tim is a well respected, long time member of this group. His knowledge in Oracle topics and the myriad tools out there is unquestionable. He works at Delphix because Delphix likes to hire people with these qualities, just like any other company. And thus from his experience what does he do for cloning a large database (10TB)? He uses, and helps companies use, Delphix. That’s the whole basis behind the platform. And simply putting it out there is not marketing. The fact that Kyle and I are also Delphix employees isn’t marketing, it’s where we work, and where we started working long after we became members of the Oracle community.
Since this topic began, we’ve been treated to several Commvault whitepapers, loads of information about what Commvault can and can’t do (it can back up email, it can back up HANA, it has Oracle Archiving, it has snapshots, it slices, it dices!), loads of assumptions about what Delphix can’t do, assertions that everything Delphix says are marketing terms, and assertions that Tim did some sort of feature by feature comparison.
Look….if someone had come on and said “how can I find the latch holding up my SQL statement” and Tim came back and said “You can use Delphix’s patended Data Virtualization Engine (R) to instantly provision Virtual Databases in near real time for a variety of platforms, then perform mission critical QA and Performance Testing 10x faster achieving a 150% ROI” I’d be right behind you and mercilessly make fun of Tim at our next all hands call. But that’s not what happened. Someone asked for a tool that can clone a 10TB database quickly. Delphix can clone a 10TB database in a few minutes. Other products can too and I’d expect people with knowledge of those products to speak up and tell us about it. End of story.
> On Apr 25, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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> The term "self-service" is a marketing term without much meaning, if any at all. With Commvault, anyone can clone the database, given the appropriate privileges. Privileges can be assigned by the Commvault administrator. Even at a gas station you need a credit card for "self service". Having a credit card is a privilege and very far from being universal, at that.
> Also, I am not sure that the original topic included marketing of the products and doing feature by feature comparison. In my opinion, that part is not appropriate for this group. I also try not to push the products of my employer through this list. Refraining from marketing avoids awkward situations like this one. After all, I am a computer geek, not a sales person.
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> On 4/25/2016 9:36 AM, Tim Gorman wrote:
>> Steve Karam, Kyle Hailey, and I are contributors to this list who are also employees of Delphix. >> >> Back to the original topic, would you explain what "self-service capability" means? >> >> >> >> >> On 4/25/16 05:51, Mladen Gogala wrote: >>> On 04/24/2016 11:18 PM, Tim Gorman wrote: >>>> Assuming a definition of "self-service capability" as "management of a separation of duties", that sounds like a "no" for CommVault. >>> >>> Only if you are adopting extremely simplistic interpretation, to the point of silliness. >>> >>>> >>>> In contrast, Oracle Snapclone provides self-service provisioning through a service catalog of templates <http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/cloud-mgmt/em-snapclone-2267372.html>, and different accounts have a separation of duties (i.e. some accounts can create templates, other accounts can only clone from templates, etc), but there are others on this list who can explain this much more capably than I. >>>> >>>> As far as Delphix is concerned, its main user-interface enables DBAs to do everything, but the Delphix JetStream <https://docs.delphix.com/display/DOCS41/Getting+Started+with+Jet+Stream> user-interface is provided to be used by developers, QA testers, project leads, and other non-DBAs to manage what has already been provisioned. >>>> >>> Tim, I am a Commvault employee. Are you by any chance a Delphix reseller or are you making money by pushing Delphix? >>> Regards >>> -- >>> Mladen Gogala >>> Oracle DBA >>> http://mgogala.freehostia.com <http://mgogala.freehostia.com/> >>
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