Re: Oracle Support renewal
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:03:40 -0500
Message-ID: <b86ffce61002081703q68b93f19i221993660f2a098c_at_mail.gmail.com>
Well this was all done before I came on board. It is something I am trying to resolve now. It's been rather messy.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Jack van Zanen <jack_at_vanzanen.com> wrote:
> I can sort of see the sense in that....
>
>
> Nobody would be on support untill there is an issue, quickly pay and
> resolve the issue, cancel support again.
>
> But when the OP bought the BI the license and support issue should have
> come up in the whole deal/conversation. before they had your signature on
> the BI stuff I'm sure negotiating would have been easier.
>
> Jack
>
> On 9 February 2010 10:33, Arm, Mike (IS) <michael.arm_at_ngc.com> wrote:
>
>> It's been years since I was involved in costing and such, but if I
>> remember correctly, if you drop support and want to pick it up 2 years
>> later, Oracle will make you pay back support charges for the gap.
>>
>> Is this still true?
>>
>> Mike
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>>
>> Michael Arm
>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>> (703) 217-7647 cell
>> Michael.Arm_at_ngc.com Corporate Email
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org on behalf of Tim Gorman
>> Sent: Mon 2/8/2010 6:25 PM
>> To: 'Oracle Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: Oracle Support renewal
>>
>> Be clear on the difference between "licenses" and "support". You are
>> already licensed, so there is no need to get "new" licenses for the same
>> products, as licenses are typically "perpetual".
>>
>> Support is not perpetual, and that is what you are renewing. Separate,
>> different thing altogether. I've always understood that support is *always*
>> 22% of list price (not the discounted license price), so it sounds like
>> they're trying to flim-flam you by telling you the truth (i.e. "you'll have
>> to pay 22% of list price!") without telling you you've always been paying
>> 22% of list price.
>>
>> Obviously, I could be mistaken, so be sure to ask very specific questions,
>> such as "Why does ceasing to pay yearly ongoing support for product XYZ have
>> anything to do with my perpetual licenses?"
>>
>> Get a quote from them, in written form. If they try to flim-flam you in a
>> quote, then there is a legal term for that, which might be an entry point
>> for legal action.
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>> Bobak, Mark wrote:
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>> Basically, it comes down to, if you want to drop stuff, feel free,
>> but you're still going to pay just as much money to Oracle.
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>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [
>> mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org>] On
>> Behalf Of Eugene Pipko
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:30 PM
>> To: 'troach_at_gmail.com'; 'Freeman, Donald'
>> Cc: 'Oracle Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: Oracle Support renewal
>>
>>
>>
>> Same or almost the same happened to us.
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>> We were going to drop a user licenses, but were told that whatever
>> discount we received will be renegotiated.
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>>
>>
>> Eugene Pipko
>>
>> Seattle Pacific Industries
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>> office: 253.872.5243
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>> cell: 206.304.7726
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>> P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail
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>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [
>> mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org>] On
>> Behalf Of Thomas Roach
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 1:28 PM
>> To: Freeman, Donald
>> Cc: Oracle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Oracle Support renewal
>>
>>
>>
>> Well this is 6i forms and reports. I don't need that anymore. We
>> bought Oracle BI so we wanted to drop support for forms and reports and were
>> told, if you do that, this happens, so needless to say, it is cheaper to
>> keep paying for support on forms and reports than to drop it, even though it
>> is itemized on the support renewal.
>>
>>
>>
>> sigh
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>> My management is not happy with that, we were looking at Oracle
>> for other products, but I don't think those would win, and they just called
>> IBM to talk to them about DB2. They are not happy at all.
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>> Can you blame them?
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>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Freeman, Donald <
>> dofreeman_at_state.pa.us> wrote:
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>> Same thing happened to us. If we decide to drop anything they
>> readjust the price of support for all the rest. Needless to say it won't be
>> downward.
>>
>>
>>
>> Donald Freeman
>>
>> Database Administrator II
>>
>> Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
>>
>> Department of Health
>>
>> Bureau of Information Technology
>>
>> 2150 Herr Street
>>
>> Harrisburg, PA 17103
>>
>> dofreeman_at_state.pa.us
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>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [
>> mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org>] On
>> Behalf Of Thomas Roach
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:10 PM
>> To: Oracle Discussion List
>> Subject: Oracle Support renewal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is an Oracle support renewal question.
>>
>>
>>
>> We wanted to drop support for a couple of products, but were told
>> that if we did that, the other items purchased in the same order would get
>> bumped to list price and we would have to pay 22% of that for support. Has
>> anyone heard of this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there any way to get discounts on Oracle support renewals? Is
>> there any option to prepay a few years in advance in exchange for a
>> discount?
>>
>>
>>
>> We reached out to some of our contacts from Oracle but they are
>> pretty firm that there are no options unless we want to try and buy newer
>> licenses at a steeper discount (but that would mean throwing our existing
>> licenses away).
>>
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>>
>> I know this is a somewhat taboo subject, but was hoping to get
>> some pointers as our renewal is coming up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom
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>> --
>> Thomas Roach
>> 813-404-6066
>> troach_at_gmail.com
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> Jack van Zanen
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