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This has been a fantastic conversation. I hope that everyone following it
has made some time to listen and absorb. Reading some of the responses,
suddenly I've become aware of several things I may be doing right and
several things I probably am doing wrong!
I believe the original poster alluded to several issues which shed light on important qualities for a DBA and are a challenge to nurture in others. (By no means am I an expert at this! But talk is therapeutic, so some thoughts follow---)
There is some good advice given in this discussion that I agree with. "If you're still stuck after 30 minutes, ask for help" is excellent advice. "Spend at least 30 minutes before asking for help" also is good advice. I think one strategy is to make this person (even if he is a Jr. DBA) a master of something--perhaps something simple like installing the software. Then use his confidence in that one thing as a point of reference in coaching him and pointing out his [comparative] weakness in other areas that you want him to work on.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Allen, Brandon [mailto:Brandon.Allen_at_OneNeck.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:52 PM
To: gints.plivna_at_gmail.com; bbellows_at_usg.com
Cc: GJohnson_at_gam.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: RE: dba mgt woes
I wholeheartedly agree with the balance of work and play, and finding work that you enjoy - not just to make money, when possible (not everyone can be so fortunate). I also find it interesting that some people think their company owes them a big thank you, as if we are donating our time or something. Remember, they are paying us, so perhaps it should be the other way around and we should thank them for many years of employment - that is as long as they are paying fairly and treating us well.
Regards,
Brandon
-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]On Behalf Of Gints Plivna
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:36 AM
To: bbellows_at_usg.com
Cc: GJohnson_at_gam.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: Re: dba mgt woes
Hmm I assume these types could be united. I personally love technologies and especially Oracle and even more especially developing some nice apps with it. BUT. I'm also making sure my employer doesn't employ me too much. He pays me for 8 hours. Extra hours means extra money or at least (if these are sometimes and rare) big thanks. I'm learning many things also not only in my working hours but that's just because I like them, not because I feel obliged to do that. Life can be lived only once, there are also other things apart from work. I'v seen several people that worked very hard, worked past their official pension years and lastly when they were laid off, earth didn't collapse, our country stayed in the same place and even many times their company didn't say them very big Thank you after so many years of work. I don't want be like that.
Gints
On 8/4/05, Bellows, Bambi <bbellows_at_usg.com> wrote:
> Bang on!
>
> I always said there are people in this field because they love the
> technology and there are people in this field because it's an easy way
> to make a nice living. I'm in the first category and naturally think
> the people in the second are a shallow bunch of twits. The folks in
> the second category naturally think that I am a nerd and not fit to
> teach their children how to dress.
>
> Twits.
>
> Best wishes,
> Bambi.
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