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I worked with a group of IT professionals at Medtronic who absolutely
worshipped at the virtual feet of OpenVMS. In the six months I worked with
Oracle 8i/9i on the OS I was impressed and heard the virtues of scheduling
on OpenVMS vs. the limitations of cron on Solaris, for example, as well as
the clustering, which was admittedly impressive. Unfortunately, the
corporate standard had become Solaris (no Linux) a year or so prior, the
Metalink support for OpenVMS was somewhat limited, and aside from my OpenVMS
months in college where I experimented with alternative operating systems (I
don't like to talk about it, now, as I have a family) I never met another
Oracle professional or even UNIX Admin who had VMS expertise or in many
cases any familiarity with the OS, whatsoever.
Everyone knows the stupid Marketing 101 analogies about how my Mom could make better fries but McDonalds had that guy in the yellow suit. Nevertheless, in America, the guy with the prettiest teeth becomes President and that is why I use Crest whitening strips...not because I believe but to appease the natives and get elected. But I promise you this, once I am President I will bust out the coffee stains and OpenVMS.
By the way, the four guys from Medtronic that made up the "OpenVMS 4 Non-Blondes" troop put a office-politics cap in my a%$ one week in reaction to a justification I HAD to write for corporate (MN) in order to monetarily define the reasons for migrating to Solaris (had to fill out the forms and explain to Stalin why I assassinated that political rival he demanded I murder) and a Sun Fire V480 cluster. Someone else had sent those boys a copy of the doc and they were prepared to lynch me because of all the lies against OpenVMS. As I unsuccessfully yet desperately tried to explain: corporate had ordered the migration, which they knew as that is why I had been hired, and the wording was approved for and even inserted, in some cases, by my boss. (Please note, it was entirely technical no name calling like "OpenVMS is fat and smells"). I quit the same week for this and other reasons that had become very, very tiresome regarding the IT industry, in general.
OpenVMS is great. No joke. It is very sophisticated and I learned a thing or two about what a fine OS could/should be. Beta is great. The first typewriter was better. Windows, in terms of enterprise scalability, security, etc. sucks...maybe even in terms of Apple, blah, blah, blah. Nevertheless, those Crest whitening strips go along way towards us experts being able to set the rules and the OS and god knows that CFO cares not nor understands the merits of Beta as he can't set his clock on his VCR, anyway, his twelve-year-old daughter has to do it for him.
Nevertheless, I concur. OpenVMS impressed the heck out of me, truly. Too bad I am gone and so are some of the members of that team, now.
In closing, put on the show, stop the meeting I want to get off, and kiss bosses and shake hands with babies. But please, everyone on this list, keep your eye on the corporate brochure ball and please get elected so all of us can start enjoying our jobs. I really don't want to have to start trying to sell my Mom's fries, again. Afterwards, we can determine the OpenVMS standards and those corporate old schoolers from "Office Space" can continue to say "Um, yeah, I am going to need you to work this Saturday, yeah, that's going to be a full day, okay, great..." on their own time in their sleep only to wake to that next unemployment check as their job was outsourced to a spoiled child.
OpenVMS is great. Real life in the IT industry still sucks for that minority that can write compile "Hello World" in more than one programming language.
Ellis
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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 2:27 AM
To: Gogala, Mladen
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Subject: Re[2]: Oracle-L going unmoderated
On VMS - Here Here -
peter
edinburgh
Monday, August 30, 2004, 9:07:48 PM, you wrote:
GM> It stands for Very Mighty System. It is the best operating GM> system that I've ever seen. VMS help was far better and far GM> more use friendly then Unix man pages. Monitor was state of the GM> art, and you can't get anything even remotely like it on Unix, GM> not even if you pay. Files-11 had clustering capabilities since GM> VMS 4.2, which was very , very long time ago. DEC has always GM> been a company with great engineering and apalling sales force, GM> that's why they ended up as a part of a nice printer company, as GM> Mr. Scott McNeally has put it. VMS is still unbeaten as an operating GM> system. Particularly good was EVE (not the woman who used to GM> talk to reptiles and didn't know how to make an apple pie, but GM> the Extended VAX Editor). GM> -- GM> Mladen Gogala
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carel-Jan Engel [mailto:cjpengel.dbalert_at_xs4all.nl]
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:51 PM
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>> VMS, what does that stand for? Very Moderate Scotch? I
>> thought you're taste was better ;-) Carel-Jan
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