RE: Microsoft VS Oracle (again)

From: MacGregor, Ian A. <ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:27:42 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.005C3B47.20030707114925@fatcity.com>

Due to
budget constraints, we shutdown last week, and everyone who works here was given four days off without pay. This was done instead of laying people off. It was a great vacation, and the family will need to eat beans for a few days. Anyway, I was just catching up on my mail ...

It is
not just Exchange, but Microsoft Project, the MS Collaboration Software, MS Operating System Administration tools, and many others which can introduce SQL*Server to a site. 
It's
not just SQL*Server either. One of our Remedy systems is used by a group which primarily uses LINUX and Sun clients. However Remedy cannot seem to deliver a system which works with a Mozilla browser. Hence, the users are looking a Bugzilla and MySql.

Ian
MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center <A
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-----Original Message-----From: Johnston, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:41 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Microsoft VS Oracle (again)
 "Also, yes they are the "fastest growing" database on the market, take a look at that copy of Windows 2000 Advanced Server you've got."
 
 And,
 I think all the exchange servers now have Sql*Server as a back end... Considering they almost own that corner of the market, I bet that adds up to a license or two...
 
 Tim

-----Original Message-----From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:11 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Microsoft VS Oracle (again)
 Well, I'll be a little more forgiving than Raj has been. Basically MicroSoft is just the "pot calling the kettle black".

 On the issue of price, well yes MicroSoft does have an edge, but that's just how they've eliminated all of their other competition over the years. The product does not cost less than Oracle or DB2, it's just that MicroSoft can leverage the tremendous amounts of cash they have to offset the giveaway they're into. I believe that was one of the points of the Antitrust suit they were embroiled in.


 On RAC they really have a long way to go. If you want to do a federated database setup like MicroSoft states, just buy standard edition Oracle licenses & toss in a pile of database links. Works the same way & you don't have to pay extra for it. The whole idea of RAC is that when one node dies, for whatever reason, the data that node was hosting is not offline till you get it repaired. And actually you really do not need to do anything to your application to take advantage of RAC, except adjust your error handling to understand that a transaction needed to be resubmitted.

 Overall I think MicroSoft's Achilles heel is Windows. Their a one OS horse. Oracle is a multi OS horse that runs the same whatever the platform. And BTW, Oracle runs RAC on Red Hat without any additional software, never mind that it runs on Linux in the first place. Similar things can also be said for DB2, Sybase, and Informix. When, if ever, Microsoft has a version of Sql*Server that runs as multiple independent processes on Linux then I'll give them a second look. As long as their a single multi-threaded Windows only process they can stay in Redmond. Also, yes they are the "fastest growing" database on the market, take a look at that copy of Windows 2000 Advanced Server you've got. There's a copy of Sql*Server 2000 in there, and you can't uninstall it. Billy G is still up to his old tricks. The only solution to MicroSoft is forced divestiture. Too bad that judge could not stand up to King George.

 Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA

-----Original Message-----From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:40 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Microsoft VS Oracle (again)
 Aargh ...
 you must be very brave telling a Oracle cult to move to SQL Server ...
 How do we know you are not Billy G using an alias ...

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Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art !
 -----Original Message----- From:
 Gabriel Aragon [<A
 href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Microsoft VS Oracle (again) FYI
 One of my friends at Microsoft, (yes I must to confess, I have friends at MS) gave me a "present", it's a 4 cd's kit called "SQL Server 2000 for the Oracle Customer", the kit consist in 4 cd's with demos, docs, presentations, videos and a lot of stuff showing why sql server is a better option as a DB instead oracle, contains price lists, performance evaluation and many other "information", maybe you'd like to spend some of your time giving Billy a chance to defend his product. The 4 cd's are available (almost completely) as links in:

<A href="http://www.microsoft.com/sql/oraclekit"
target=_blank>http://www.microsoft.com/sql/oraclekit Any comments?
Gabriel Received on Mon Jul 07 2003 - 14:27:42 CDT