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<ranting>
I used to work for a place that changed with the latest fad - or as you said
"challenged" you.
At one time, they had a small staff of highly skilled unix admins and dbas.
Then, they hired this shmuck that subscribed to Gartner. When Gartner said
SQL Server was getting better, we bought it and started a slow process to
migrate things there, When Oracle was hot again, we backed off moving away
from it. When IBM and UDB were mentioned for being scalable and cheaper than
Oracle, we bought it. It was that way for hardware too. If IBM pissed them
off, SUN was brought in. Get the picture???
After about 5 years, that small Unix/Oracle staff had grown to 3 camps of
admins/DBAs. All fighting and trying to maneuver their platform into the
"most favored" status. The groups didn't care too much for either (i.e. a
lot of sniping in meetings). Tons more harware to maintain and tons more
staff to pay. The interesting thing is that as people left to chase dreams
elsewhere, the skills of the remaining staff diminished. They hired
inexpensive people that knew a little about something and NOT a lot about
anything. Instead of have a group of highly skilled people, we had 3 groups
with 1 or 2 highly skilled people and the rest were bottom feeders. Their
reputation got trashed with the developers so they didn't ask for help
anymore. Instead of helping and planning, DBAs asked "do you want to biggie
size that database?"
I know I probably missed something, but that idiot turned a highly skilled
shop into a complete mess. If you have a good staff that is working
efficiently and exceeding expectations, uptime... then don't mess with it!
For some reason these guys think they have to come in, shake things up and
leave "their" mark. They should stick with the stuff they do best like
changing the division names from "IT" to "EIS" (enterprise information
systems)....
</ranting>
I hope your place doesn't go down the same path.
my 2¢
Steve
> Darrell,
>
> The reason we are considering the move is because the CIO said to consider
> it. Last year it was consider moving to SQL Server. Thankfully, I dodged
> that bullet - porting costs were too high.
>
> From his level (and he "loves" microsoft) is that the hardware is a lot
more
> expensive for the non-Intel Unix servers. Which is somewhat true. Though
our
> own internal studies a couple of years ago, was that Unix servers were
> cheaper to manage than Windows servers. Something to do with the frequency
> of problems/reboots/security patches. But, when the demi-god "Evil I
> believe" on high says to do something - we kind of have to if we want to
> keep our jobs. All we need to do is provide evidence to counter his view.
He
> keeps us on our toes by challenging the status quo. Which isn't a bad
thing
> - but it is annoying.
>
> David
> >From: "Darrell Landrum" <DLANDRUM_at_zalecorp.com>
> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Subject: Re: Opinions request - Oracle on WIN2K vs Unix
> >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:42:17 -0800
> >
> >I'm afraid my opinion of moving from HP-UX to windows would get me
> >censored if not kicked off the list.
> > :)
> >However, I will ask the question of why? See, it seems you're asking
> >why not make the move when in reality your organization should not be
> >considering the move without good reasons to do so.
> >
> > >>> ddoralist_at_hotmail.com 04/24/03 03:41PM >>>
> >We are in the midst of pondering a move from HP Unix (HP/UX) to WIN2K
> >and
> >upgrading Oracle 7.3.4 to 9iR2.
> >
> >I would like opinions from people on the merits or problems with
> >supporting/administering multiple Oracle instances on WIN2K.
> >
> >Multiple as in 14 instances in development and 2 (OLTP/ODS {pronounced
> >
> >odious}) in production for PeopleSoft HRMS with the expectation of also
> >
> >having SQL Server on the same server (Data Transformation Services for
> >cheap
> >ETL).
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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