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oh thats right undo is kept in rollback segments/tablespaces. forgot. Im more a developer than dba. If I dont have a book handy I forget sometimes.
so when you issue a commit 3 things happen right?
1. Locks are released from the transaction 2. DBWR is flagged so it can write to the datafile. This doesnt happen right away. It waits for the checkpoint process or a flush correct? 3. LGWR rights the redo log buffers in the SGA to the redo log files correct?
I thought LGWR ran pretty much continuously and did not wait for commits? I thought it was only the DBWR that waited to be told by the check point process to write?
>
> From: "Daniel W. Fink" <optimaldba_at_yahoo.com>
> Date: 2003/04/22 Tue AM 11:41:45 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Subject: Re: Optimal COMMIT frequency towards Batch DMLs
>
> A commit will post a commit record to the log buffer and force LGWR to
> write all pending redo records (including the commit record) to the
> active redo log. The data blocks that the process has modified may have
> already been written to the datafiles, if the buffer cache needs space.
>
> Redo logs do not fill up and cause Snapshot Too Old. STO is related to
> Rollback/Undo.
>
> Having a single commit in a batch job can cause the process to fail and
> also cause other processes to fail. Having too frequent commits in a
> batch job can cause the process to fail and also cause other processes
> to fail.
>
> How do you decide the proper commit frequency? Try to find logical
> boundaries in the batch, like customer, time, product, etc. If you need
> to refer to data that may have been updated by the process, close and
> reopen the cursor to avoid a Fetch Across Commits.
>
> Check out the papers/presentations on UNDO and Snapshot Too Old at
> www.optimaldba.com and www.evdbt.com. They will explain what occurs and
> provide some good info on commit frequency.
>
> --
> Daniel W. Fink
> http://www.optimaldba.com
>
> IOUG-A Live! April 27 - May 1, 2003 Orlando, FL
> Thursday, May 1 1:00pm - 2:00pm - Automatic Undo Internals
>
>
> rgaffuri_at_cox.net wrote:
>
> >try to do one commit when batch is done. All commit does is flag the checkpoint background process to execute the DBWR. Its automatically written to redo logs which you do not control.
> >
> >Only commit more often if:
> >1. Need to release a lock so another process can use it(ie deadlock or another batch needs it)
> >2. redo logs fill up and you cant make them larger and get the dreaded snapshot too old error(could be wrong on this one)
> >other than that. no reason to commit more than once per transaction.
> >
> >DBWR is a much more expensive disk write than the redo log writer since it writes it in a more structured way in order to optimize data retrieval.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "VIVEK_SHARMA" <VIVEK_SHARMA_at_infosys.com>
> >>Date: 2003/04/22 Tue AM 09:16:37 EDT
> >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >>Subject: RE: Optimal COMMIT frequency towards Batch DMLs
> >>
> >>
> >>COMMIT is issued after DMLs corresponding to 300 application Transactions ,
> >>each of Transaction size about 5 KB . Thus COMMIT done after about 1.5 MB
> >>
> >>NOTE - DML with Arrays are NOT used by our application .
> >>
> >>Is the Optimal Commit frequency based on Size , Time between Commits ?
> >>
> >>Which Sub-operations on COMMIT have MAX. overhead which are thereby reduced by reducing the frequency of Commits ?
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:29 PM
> >>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >>
> >>
> >>Like many, many questions on this list, this one also 'depends'. This
> >>really depends on your business needs and on your resources (mostly
> >>space for large enough rollback segs or undo space).
> >>I'm usually inclined to limit commits when possible. If I've got a job
> >>which updates records and my rollback space and segment size will
> >>accommodate it, I will first entertain the idea of updating all affected
> >>records in one set. However, I realize I must be prepared to tolerate a
> >>lengthy rollback in the event of a failure. So, depending on the
> >>circumstances, I may do this update in sets based on date or some other
> >>criteria.
> >>You may also have multiple sets of data which get updated based on
> >>different criteria and you may want to commit after each set if you want
> >>set A to remain even if set B has problems. You may also have a job
> >>where it is all or nothing where all changes must be rolled back if any
> >>fail.
> >>Committing too frequently can also become troublesome. I've seen a
> >>procedure which committed for each iteration of a loop and caused itself
> >>ORA-01555 errors.
> >>
> >>I'd say there's probably not a rule or a document which will say with
> >>any certainty how frequent commits should be in batch. However, what I
> >>would recommend is to search for a paper on what takes place when data
> >>is committed (or one really good source is Jonathon Lewis' book
> >>"Practical Oracle 8i", committing data is covered very early in his book
> >>/ how it affects data blocks, blocks in redo, blocks in rollback, etc.)
> >>and that should 'guide' you on making a decision for each of your batch
> >>jobs depending on the circumstances. One thing for certain is that the
> >>more frequently a job commits, the more work it is doing and avoiding
> >>extra work is good where the database is concerned.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>VIVEK_SHARMA_at_infosys.com 04/21/03 10:21AM >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>How may the Optimal COMMIT frequency in Batch DML Operations be
> >>determined ?
> >>
> >>What is the Spirit behind the same ?
> >>
> >>Any Links , Docs please ?
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> >>--
> >>Author: VIVEK_SHARMA
> >> INET: VIVEK_SHARMA_at_infosys.com
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-- Daniel W. Fink http://www.optimaldba.com IOUG-A Live! April 27 - May 1, 2003 Orlando, FL Thursday, May 1 1:00pm - 2:00pm - Automatic Undo Internals
try to do one commit when batch is done. All commit does is flag the checkpoint background process to execute the DBWR. Its automatically written to redo logs which you do not control. Only commit more often if: 1. Need to release a lock so another process can use it(ie deadlock or another batch needs it) 2. redo logs fill up and you cant make them larger and get the dreaded snapshot too old error(could be wrong on this one) other than that. no reason to commit more than once per transaction. DBWR is a much more expensive disk write than the redo log writer since it writes it in a more structured way in order to optimize data retrieval.From: "VIVEK_SHARMA" <VIVEK_SHARMA@infosys.com> Date: 2003/04/22 Tue AM 09:16:37 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L@fatcity.com> COMMIT is issued after DMLs corresponding to 300 application Transactions , each of Transaction size about 5 KB . Thus COMMIT done after about 1.5 MB NOTE - DML with Arrays are NOT used by our application . Is the Optimal Commit frequency based on Size , Time between Commits ? Which Sub-operations on COMMIT have MAX. overhead which are thereby reduced by reducing the frequency of Commits ? Thanks -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Like many, many questions on this list, this one also 'depends'. This really depends on your business needs and on your resources (mostly space for large enough rollback segs or undo space). I'm usually inclined to limit commits when possible. If I've got a job which updates records and my rollback space and segment size will accommodate it, I will first entertain the idea of updating all affected records in one set. However, I realize I must be prepared to tolerate a lengthy rollback in the event of a failure. So, depending on the circumstances, I may do this update in sets based on date or some other criteria. You may also have multiple sets of data which get updated based on different criteria and you may want to commit after each set if you want set A to remain even if set B has problems. You may also have a job where it is all or nothing where all changes must be rolled back if any fail. Committing too frequently can also become troublesome. I've seen a procedure which committed for each iteration of a loop and caused itself ORA-01555 errors. I'd say there's probably not a rule or a document which will say with any certainty how frequent commits should be in batch. However, what I would recommend is to search for a paper on what takes place when data is committed (or one really good source is Jonathon Lewis' book "Practical Oracle 8i", committing data is covered very early in his book / how it affects data blocks, blocks in redo, blocks in rollback, etc.) and that should 'guide' you on making a decision for each of your batch jobs depending on the circumstances. One thing for certain is that the more frequently a job commits, the more work it is doing and avoiding extra work is good where the database is concerned.VIVEK_SHARMA@infosys.com 04/21/03 10:21AM >>>How may the Optimal COMMIT frequency in Batch DML Operations be determined ? What is the Spirit behind the same ? Any Links , Docs please ? Thanks -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: VIVEK_SHARMA@infosys.com Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Darrell Landrum INET: DLANDRUM@zalecorp.com Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: VIVEK_SHARMA INET: VIVEK_SHARMA@infosys.com Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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