I almost never took an Oracle course. Read docs, went to conferences,
spoke with (phone) and wrote to (snail mail) other DBAs asking
questions, and what-ifs. TRYING things on my own.
How do you think the "top-notch people" got to BE top-notch? I
seriously doubt it was from taking Oracle classes but rather from
asking themselves questions about how the database worked and then
going and TRYING it.
People like Gaja, Cary, Mogens, Dan, Anjo live and breath this stuff
(okay, not totally but they spend a LOT of their free time on "I wonder
what would happen if...")
to me, THAT is the mark of a master DBA, not Oracle's OCM
I've taken the OCP tests to prove that you don't need to either study
for them or even to have worked with the version of the database (I
passed 8 and 8i without ever having seen a database running them)
- DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM> wrote:
> Dan, and others
> It is very useful to see how the top-notch people keep themselves up
> to speed. But of course, any advice must be suited to the advisee.
> For
> example, for some of us a little lower on the food chain, maybe
> acquiring
> the OCP might be a first step. Now Peter isn't exactly a novice, but
> then he
> didn't mention that he had the OCP, so I'm assuming not. I can see
> myself in
> a future job interview (hopefully years from now) being asked "why
> don't you
> have an OCP?". Of course, working on the OCP myself naturally makes
> me a
> convert. Probably the only way to make it through. And while a lot of
> it is
> just memorization, there have been a few things I learned from it.
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA, 20% OCP
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
>
> I concur. I received incorrect information in the beginning DBA
> classes, but
> the time spent in the 8i Data Server Internals Seminar with Scott
> Gossett
> was incredibly valuable (and I paid for it and the travel to Bethesda
> myself).
>
> For my money, I would rather attend the top notch user group meetings
> and
> attend sessions by Craig, Cary, Tim, Gaja. And spend time talking and
> trading stories with my fellow DBAs. I'd rather learn from those in
> the
> trenches.
>
> Daniel W. Fink
> Sr. Oracle DBA
> MICROMEDEX
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
>
> not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related
> to the quality of the instructor.
>
> I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best
> of
> Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes
> with
> some of the "less best"
>
>
> --- "Johnson, Michael " <Michael.Johnson_at_oln-afmc.af.mil> wrote:
> > I would second these selections below....
> > Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless.
> >
> > fwiw !
> >
> > Peace and Love
> > Mike
> >
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> >
> >
> > Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com
> >
> >
> > --- "Schauss, Peter" <SCHAUPE_at_mail.northgrum.com> a
> > écrit : > My manager has told me that he has budget to
> > send me
> > > for
> > > a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days,
> > > preferably
> > > in the local area (Long Island or NYC).
> > >
> > > A bit of background on myself:
> > >
> > > Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly
> > > supporting
> > > development, including data modeling.
> > >
> > > 20+ years total experience in software development,
> > > system
> > > administration (mostly UNIX), Database
> > > Administration
> > > (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to
> > > 8.1.7).
> > >
> > > My DBA work has included both development and
> > > production,
> > > mostly on small to medium sized databases.
> > >
> > > Programming languages: C, C++, Java
> > >
> > > I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the
> > > job,
> > > from reading documentation and books like Rachel's
> > > _DBA 101_,
> > > from attending user's group meetings, or from
> > > reading this list.
> > >
> > > What course would you suggest?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Peter Schauss
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