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RE: Names server

From: Karniotis, Stephen <Stephen_Karniotis_at_compuware.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:43:27 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0042121B.20020306114327@fatcity.com>


Bruce:

   You are correct in that you do not need a database to store the topology. Instead it stores the topology in cache or using a "replication-type" feature. Here is a white paper I wrote on setting up names. Hope this helps.
 <<IOUG Paper 103.doc>>

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
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 -----Original Message-----
[mailto:Bruce.Reardon_at_comalco.riotinto.com.au]

Sent:	Tuesday, March 05, 2002 6:18 PM
To:	Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:	RE: Names server

Stephen or others,

If I understood correctly, the email below said it is possible to have a Names Server that doesn't require its own database. I have just briefly read the manual on Names and it mentions that Names8 doesn't require a database to store topology but it is recommended. It also mentions service replication where information is stored in Names cache rather than a database.

Is this what is being referred to?
Stephen - can you provide a bit more information on a Names server that doesn't require a separate database.

Thanks,
Bruce Reardon

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2002 1:29

I agree with everyone. Oracle Names saved many days/months of maintenance time in migrating new TNSNAMES to over 30000 desktops. The only gotchas with ON was the creation of a separate Administrative database and 24x7 maintenance of it. With the new extensibility features not requiring a database, that job was made much easier.

However, the move to LDAP will benefit you even more because all you need to do is put an entry in the directory server for the instances and "magic" occurs. I personally hate the concept of the TNSNAMES file because if violates the "knowledge" security standard of knowing what databases are within the environment. Any savvy user can figure out how to hack in once they have that kind of information.

Thank You

Stephen P. Karniotis
Technical Alliance Manager
Compuware Corporation

Direct:	(248) 865-4350
Mobile:	(248) 408-2918
Email:	Stephen.Karniotis_at_Compuware.com
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 -----Original Message-----
Sent:	Monday, March 04, 2002 6:08 PM

I agree with you Jared. On the last job we had TNSNAMES files out to everyones work station ..... got to be a pain. Installed Names, created the right files ..... bingo, all worked . Very easy.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:29 PM

Completely removing names from Oracle would be a mistake IMO.

Reason: Name is fairly easy to implement, LDAP is anything but.

Jared



"Freeman, Robert " <Robert_Freeman_at_csx.com> 03/04/02 01:38 PM

Names server is depreciated in 9i, but still there. They were going to remove it, but I think there was a bit of a backlash, so
they have delayed
the removal.
OID (LDAP) is the replacement.  

We use names server here, have found it to be pretty stable and reduced tnsnames.ora administration nicely.  

RF  

Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
Oracle DBA Technical Lead
CSX Midtier Database Administration

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:53 PM

Names server will be obsolete in 9i, I think.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:33 AM

Hi ALL:

    Is any one using names server out there? How the it works? Any infor are wellcome.
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