RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users

For one last 2 cents worth ..... same for my last employer. Even though there were only 4 entry stations into the Radiation Protected Area of the Nuclear Plant, all employees who were eligible to enter that area was considered a user. Instead of 4, we had to have 1000 licenses. At least Oracle is consistent in their greed...

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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Actually this came up during our license evaluation as well. We tried to go with named users, but there was a catch. We process transactions from a sort of clearinghouse. That clearinghouse is a single network connection, and we process transactions with a small number of Oracle sessions. From my perspective, we had 5 sessions performing OLTP from a single source. From Oracle's perspective a user has to be determined in the "broadest scope possible" (That is straight from the license agreement). The result was that since our clearinghouse was intermittently connected to 50,000 pharmacies, we would require over 50,000 named users.

Steve McClure

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Chris
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

I don't think it was Oracle telling you that, it was the sales guy trying to get his vacation paid for....

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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

  In our latest discussions with Oracle, it is my understanding that there is the Named user license and the CPU license. CPU allows an unlimited number of users. Named has a limited number of users. Now, it has always been my personal experience that nobody really knows what a user is. Ask 10 different Oracle personnel what a "user" is, and you will get 10 different answers.
  For example, we support a 911 center. An Oracle-based application displays the caller's information on a screen to the call taker. If you look in our database, you will see one user - it is the connection made by the software that displays the caller's info. The app maintains one connection and displays the data on the appropriate screen. Oracle is trying to tell us the the 911 callers are the "users". Give me a break! At best, the call takers might be the users.   Apparently there are (or were) Term licenses also. See http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO61415,00.html   Rest assured - as soon as you figure it out, they will change it.

Jay

>>> DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM 02/20/02 12:30PM >>>
Adary - Wow that is not good! Has anyone else encountered this situation? Does the licensing fee have a name? Any indication if it differs between US and non-US licensing?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Hello Dennis

We operate here on a site license that cover our internal users and servers. About a month ago we talked with oracle about a database that will be connected to
our internet site.
They come back and said that we need a separate license for this and our regular site
license cover only INTERNAL use.
You need a separate license if you use the DB VIA internet. I do not know if it is named or CPU or whatever.

Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
adary_at_mehish.co.il

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> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [SMTP:DWILLIAMS_at_lifetouch.com]
> Sent: Wed, February 20, 2002 3:43 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
>
> Can anyone provide more details on "Web licensing"? I asked our manager
> that
> negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
> (formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I checked at Oraclestore,
> and
> it only shows Named and Processor licensing. If we are missing something,
> I
> would like to avoid a nasty licensing surprise.
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>

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