Our site just went through this, and Oracle determined that we needed to use
CPU licenses. We actually replaced our 4 cpu DG Aviion with a new Sunfire
3800 with two sparc3 processors. The money saved in Oracle licensing paid
for the new equipment. They simply came in and told us that the licensing
agreement we had worked out less than a year ago was "out the window", and
would not cover our configuration. My personal take on it is that Oracle
has said "Enough with being price competitive with SQL Server. We have a
superior product, and should cost substantially more".
One thing we did learn was that Oracle will not "credit" any of your
previous license payments. So we were able to retain them. We have 800
processor units that can be used to run a database or a forms/reports
server. I don't know how or if the concurrent user licenses would be
retained.
Steve McClure
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WILLIAMS
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:08 PM
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Rachel - By Web license, do you mean the unlimited-user CPU-based licensing?
Thanks.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:05 PM
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you need to be careful if you are also using databases whose contents
appear on the web, as Oracle will want you to use a web license
(extremely expensive) even if the data is not directly accessed but
appears on the web in static pages generated from the Oracle database.
- Stephane Faroult <sfaroult_at_oriole.com> wrote:
> "Smith, Ron L." wrote:
> >
> > We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients
> using
> > Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient
> licensing.
> > We have about 100 instances to monitor.
> >
> > Has anyone done this? Any ideas on what "Concurrent users" might
> mean to
> > the majority of people?
> >
> > We have both Oracle 7 and Oracle 8.
> >
> > Ron Smith
> > DBA
> > Kerr-McGee Corp
> >
>
> Well, I have just been working on this for one of my customers last
> week. The obvious thing is to query V$SESSION at regular intervals
> (dbms_job can help) and what you can do is store the result through a
> database link to a single instance. Where it was tricky was that we
> wanted to identify 'system' processes (easy, except that job
> processes
> are marked as 'USER', which is debatable), and (that's where the snag
> is) processes which are the results of a connection through a
> database
> link. The logic is that a database link is initiated by a 'normal'
> connection - for which the full-blown licence is already paid. So
> they
> should not exactly count as much as regular connection; and if this
> is
> not a good argument, then it is probably possible to reduce their
> number
> by shifting around applications. Ultimately we could apply Larry's
> favorite concept of 'single instance' (anyway I have always found DB
> links messy).
> My trouble was that nothing, but human knowledge, can tell whether
> the
> connection comes from a database link or is genuine (if somebody has
> a
> way, please share !). All the user information (machine, program,
> module, action ...) comes from the initial connection and is
> propagated.
> I have solved this (not fully satisfactorily) by having a table
> automatically inserted with unknown (machine, program) pairs and
> manually updated to say 'If we see this program on this database,
> then
> it comes from a database link' - or 'anything coming from this
> machine
> must come from a database link'. Added something for connection from
> HTTP servers, although I doubt that those will be spontaneously
> discussed during the negotiation.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Stephane Faroult
> Oriole Ltd
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