Re: The OCP bar is being raised

From: orantdba <orantdba_at_netscape.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:03:19 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.003EC61C.20020110073615@fatcity.com>

Hmmm,

Imagine that, a publicly traded company that it trying to make money, I am shocked
dismayed, I don't believe I will be able to sleep tonight.

Chris, could you provide me with the list of companies that are not trying to make money?
I want to make sure that I don't go to work for them, or learn their products.

John :-)

Chris.Bowes_at_kosa.com wrote:

I'd say the cost is being raised. Look at the requirements for each. You can't just take the OCM exam. No we would first have to get the OCA. Whether or not we need the entry level cert we have to have it. Then, and only then, can we take the OCP. Then and only then, can we take the OCM and that is after we take these REQUIRED classes from Oracle Ed. So someone the caliber of Steve Adams or Jared Still, has to spend money in a class that they could probably teach from memory before they can get certification and that is after getting 2 other certs that have no value to them. Call me a cynic, but to me, this is nothing but a money grab. From the website:
--To become an Oracle Associate, you must pass the exams
required

for the Oracle Associate level of your selected job role. Typically,
--two exams are required; the first one can be taken via
the Internet,
--while subsequent exams must be taken in a proctored environment.
By
--completing your Oracle Associate, you are half-way toward
achieving the
Oracle Certified Professional credential.

--To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must
pass all required exams
--in your selected job role, including those at the Associate
level.

--To become an Oracle Certified Master, you must first
be an Oracle
--Certified Professional. Additionally, achieving your OCM
credential
--requires attending two advanced level Oracle University
courses from
--the list shown on this page as well as passing the OCM
Practicum exam.

--Chris

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From: dgoulet_at_vicr.com [
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: The OCP bar is being raised

Anyone care to comment on the following, IMHO it's about time:

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  Introducing two new levels of Oracle Certified Professional (OCP) Achievement

  A recent *IDC report on IT Education and Training Services quoted database
  professionals and network engineers as the fastest-growing areas of Professional
  Certification. And in an October survey from *crn.com on Certification, 58% of
  respondents said that it is very difficult to find qualified Oracle Certified
  Professionals-Database Administrators.   To meet this demand, we have recently introduced two new levels of professional
  achievement to DBAs (and soon to be released to Application and Java Developers
  worldwide):
  The Oracle Certified Associate (OCA) -- an entry-level Oracle qualification
  requiring successful completion of two exams.   The Oracle Certified Master (OCM) -- an advanced qualification for Oracle
  Certified Professionals (OCP), that requires students to take a practicum exam
  on-sitee at an Oracle University education center.   Visit

http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/news/index.html?certlevels.html

for more information
IDC, IT Education and Training, Sept 2001 crn.com, Certification: What's Hot, What's Not, Oct 2001

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