did you find an ora-600 in the log;
- Hallas John <John.Hallas_at_btcellnet.net> wrote:
> Years ago I was coerced into entering a public
> speaking course at work.
> We had to each prepare a speech and then present to
> our group (of about 12
> plus tutor). Listening to everybody else was
> embarassing and I was certainly
> no better.
> We had about 5 coaching sessions, always in a group
> and then we had a final
> re-reading of our by now improved speeches.
> It was quite astounding seeing the transformation,
> everybody seemed so much
> more at ease, comfortable with themselves and with
> the audience.
> The final test was an competition where we had to
> present to about 60
> members of a womens lunch group at a large hotel.
>
> Everyone of us was filled with trepidation and I
> really had to fight just
> not to ring in sick for the day.
>
> Needless to say, each and every one of us came
> across as comfortable about
> speaking in public and we were all so pleased both
> with ourselves and each
> other.
>
> I treasure that course and learned so much from it.
> I would still not
> volunteer to speak in public but when I have to do
> at a large meeting or
> similar occasion I know what should be doing and try
> to concentrate on that.
>
> If I mention alert log does this make it on topic?
>
> John
>
>
>
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> Cherie - Thanks for your feedback and thanks to
> other people. I participated
> in Toastmasters for many years and believe that it
> provided substantial
> benefits. The strongest benefits are the ability to
> make a formal
> presentation to a group of people. That can help
> dispel the image that you
> are just some techie that works down in the bowels
> of the organization.
> There are benefits even in one-on-one discussions,
> where you can apply some
> of the techniques such as eye contact and natural
> use of your hands. I
> arranged an interview between my boss and a
> colleague from a previous job.
> Despite stellar technical capabilities that I am in
> awe of, my friend didn't
> get the job because he stared at the floor during
> the entire interview. An
> experienced Toastmaster wouldn't make that mistake.
> I think there are other aspects to the issue of
> communication and
> ultimately communicating value to people. I find
> that I have a tendency to
> concentrate very strongly on projects. Obviously
> working on production
> systems you need to pay attention to what you are
> doing. However, developers
> may just feel that you are an old grouch that never
> pays attention to their
> projects, and naturally everyone feels that their
> project is the most
> important. This is where I am trying to apply some
> of Dale Carnegie's
> principles. But you have to be careful. Spend too
> much time chatting and
> they get the idea you don't have enough to do.
> I work for corporate and we support the company
> divisions. Corporate
> is an expense and only the divisions make profits.
> It is easy for each
> division to feel that they aren't getting their
> money's worth from your
> efforts. Similar to Rachel's idea, my manager has
> recently been organizing
> regular meetings with each division's IS manager to
> discuss their projects
> and their priorities. This has helped a lot in terms
> of making them feel
> that we see their priorities correctly, that I am
> doing the work they need,
> and when one of the developers asks me to create
> some tables I don't react
> so defensively, wondering why this is so darned
> short notice. Instead I say
> "oh yeah, your boss said that you were working on
> this really critical
> project, let's get this set up right away."
> I don't mean to imply that I've "mastered" this
> communication thing.
> I think these "softer" areas of human behavior
> require continual work and
> effort. I think that computers and databases are
> becoming more critical to
> all organizations and we are expected to
> communicate better. These tough
> times are a good opportunity for each of us to
> assess how well we
> communicate the value of what we do.
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
>
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> Dennis,
>
> We are starting up a Toastmasters group here where I
> work. I've always
> wanted to try that
> so I'm going to the introductory meeting today.
>
> Do you have access to a Toastmasters meeting at your
> work? I've heard a
> lot of good things
> about Toastmasters and I'm sure it would help
> interpersonal communications
> some.
>
> Cherie Machler
> Oracle DBA
> Gelco Information Network
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> DENNIS WILLIAMS
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> Rachel - Thanks for sharing some tips. I think that
> in hard times it is
> worth considering how valuable you are considered by
> the people that pay
> your salary.
> Aside for the objective or "true" value
> of the DBA to the
> organization, I think there are two other aspects.
> 1. How perceptive your manager is. We
> can't pick our boss
> (usually)
> and can't control their technical background or
> their perceptiveness. I
> have
> had some non-technical managers that were remarkably
> perceptive.
> 2. Most of us didn't become DBA's because
> we had excellent
> communication skills. Most of us picked a technical
> career because we
> noticed in school that we were better at figuring
> out technical puzzles.
> Often we tend to concentrate on resolving the
> puzzles as quickly as
> possible
> and ignore the communication aspect, assuming that
> everyone will see that
> we
> are busy and will assume that we are doing really
> important stuff that
> nobody else is smart enough to figure out.
> However, these assumptions don't always
> pan out. Recently my
> company
> made a larger commitment to Oracle (not in terms of
> the DBA staff, I'm
> still
> soloing). I thought this was great because I
> interpreted it as more job
> security. However, suddenly there was more emphasis
> on ability to
> communicate. I am now working on ways to enhance my
> "people skills". The
> book I have found that speaks in simple enough terms
> for me is Dale
> Carnegie's classic "How to Win Friends and Influence
> People". Any other
> resources along these lines would be appreciated.
> Most of the current
> self-help books are more along the lines of "how to
> get rich". Gave that
> idea up a long time ago.
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
>
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> my boss asked me to stop including him on all the
> emails etc.
>
> he says "if I don't say anything to you then you are
> doing a good job"
>
> I say "I need you to be my boss"
>
> we are a small group and everyone seems to speak at
> mega-volume.
> Everyone knows what everyone else's problem is and
> who fixed it and
> how.
>
> My teammates know what I do -- I tell them they
> don't really need me,
> but that's because we have it under control. They
> tell me I'm nuts --
> and I have to say, it's gratifying to hear "thank
> goodness you are
> back" whenever I come back from vacation.
>
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