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RE: general doubt

From: William Beilstein <BeilstWH_at_OBG.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:09:18 -0500
Message-Id: <10731.125760@fatcity.com> 





The problem now is with these messages, please let it drop or take it out =
of the listserve.



>>> Kimberly Smith <kimberly.smith_at_gmd.fujitsu.com> 01/04/01 02:15PM >>>
I believe that her tone is being driving by yours.  You started nasty and
are remaining so.  All because someone asked a question you did not
feel like reading.  I think you are asking for something you are not =
willing


to do yourself.



-----Original Message-----


Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:27 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L





I do not object to mentioning of the delete key but I do not like and will
not tolerate the tone. I do not see Rachel as a such moral authority =
figure


for me to accept such tone (Maybe she is but I barely know her - I saw her
one time on IOUG conference and saw couple of her books). If instead of "I
remind you, the delete key is located on your keyboard and labelled as =
such"


she said something like "If you don't like the message use the delete key" =
I


wouldn't even reply.=20



Alex Hillman=20





-----Original Message-----=20


<mailto:Winnie_Liu_at_infonet.com> ]=20


Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:41 PM=20
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L=20






I must say that I totally agree with Rachel. As a female, I found that =
the=20


email Alex send out to be very offensive. And I definitely don't appreciate=
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such comments on the list.=20



Every body entitled to speak whatever they want, subject to not physically=
=20


or emotionally harming the other person.=20



Like what Rachel said, DELETE keys are always there for you for one=20
purpose: to delete whatever you don't want to read!=20



Winnie=20







"Deshpande, Kirti" <kirti.deshpande_at_verizon.com>@fatcity.com on 01/03/2001=
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07:50:50 PM=20



Please respond to ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com=20



Sent by:  root_at_fatcity.com=20




To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>=20
cc:=20





Current Score:=20


 Rachel : 14=20


 Alex : 6=20


End of 1st Period !! This is getting very interesting at FatcityBowl...=20



Can we..can we just get along...=20





> -----Original Message-----=20

> From:   Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:carmichr_at_hotmail.com]=20

> Sent:   Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:51 PM=20

> To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L=20

> Subject:     RE: general doubt=20


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> From www.dictionary.com:=20



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> insinuation: Something insinuated, especially an artfully indirect, =

often=20


> derogatory suggestion.=20



>=20


> insinuate: To introduce or insert (oneself) by subtle and artful =

means.=20


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> Based on those definitions, I didn't insinuate anything. I was neither=20=




> subtle nor indirect in calling you sexist.=20

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> sexism:  Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping =

of=20


> social roles based on gender.=20



>=20


> Telling me that I am not your mother or wife is promoting stereotyping,=

=20


> since those are gender-based roles.=20

>=20


> I told you to use the delete key and not to insult me... no insinuation=

=20


> there. You might consider checking a dictionary before you use words =

when=20


> you are not sure of the definitions.=20


>=20




> Consider yourself permanently blocked -- and a complaint about your=20

> behavior=20

> has been lodged with the list owner.=20


>=20
>=20


> >From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>=20

> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com=20

> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>=20

> >Subject: RE: general doubt=20

> >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:30:32 -0800=20

> >=20

> >Maybe it is enough. What is your next insinuation? Sexist - it is=20



> >hilarious.=20

> >You should have better arguments than that. And also you can delete =

my=20


> >messages - if you use MS Outlook you can even have a rule to delete =

them=20


> >immediately.=20

> >=20

> >Alex Hillman=20

> >=20

> >-----Original Message-----=20

> >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:46 PM=20

> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L=20

> >=20

> >=20

> >Yes you are entitled to your view -- but when you add to the messages =

on=20


> a=20

> >topic then you add to the trash if you consider the topic itself to =

be=20


> >trash.=20

> >=20

> >As for not being your wife or mother -- no, thank goodness, I'm not =

in=20


> any=20

> >way or form related to you. And I find it insulting that you would =

say=20


> that=20

> >to me, since you would NOT say "you are not my father" to any man on=20

this=20


> >list. I find that a sexist remark and definitely "trashing" this =

list.=20


> >=20

> >As for being or not being a school teacher... whether or not I was =

is=20


> >irrelevant... but I consider THAT a compliment (although I can infer=20

that=20


> >you don't think it is). School teachers educate... and I think that=20

> >eradicating ignorance is a noble task.=20

> >=20

> > >From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>=20

> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com=20

> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>=20

> > >Subject: RE: general doubt=20

> > >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:10:42 -0800=20

> > >=20

> > >I think that as anybody else I am entitled to my point of view and =

can=20


> > >express it. This is definitely trashing and every day it becomes=20

worse.=20

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> >In=20

> > >trashing I mean to diminish the value of this list. Also there were =

no=20


> > >indications in the subject showing me that I should delete the=20

message.=20


> > >Also=20

> > >I do not appreciate this "I remind you, the delete key is located =

on=20


> your=20

> > >keyboard and labelled as such". You are not my mother or wife or=20

school=20


> > >teacher (or maybe you are a school teacher - in former life?).=20

> > >=20

> > >Alex Hillman=20

> > >=20

> > >-----Original Message-----=20

> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:26 PM=20

> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L=20

> > >=20

> > >=20

> > >Alex,=20

> > >=20

> > >"trashing this list"?  A bit harsh and definitely inaccurate.=20

> > >=20

> > >I remind you, the delete key is located on your keyboard and =

labelled=20


> as=20

> > >such. I suggest you use it instead of, to quote your own message,=20

> >"trashing=20

> > >this list".=20

> > >=20

> > >Rachel=20



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Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com=20
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Author: Deshpande, Kirti=20


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