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I left a job once where the working conditions were horrible and my bosses were complete jerks. When I left I resisted the temptation to tell them what I thought about the way they ran their company. I dearly wanted to tell them off but could see no benefit in doing so.
When looking to change jobs again these same jerks gave my prospective employer a glowing recommendation which went a long way toward landing the job. I learned once again that the less you say the less you say wrong.
When considering an action such as yours remember this: Perception is reality. Instead of being known as the hero who slayed and ogre manager on his way out you may become known as the problem employee who got his boss fired. The boss who was the father of three and active volunteer at the local soup kitchen. It doesn't matter if it isn't true if it is what people perceive.
Don't sling crap in a room full of fans.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jain, Akshay [mailto:Akshay.Jain_at_cit.com]
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 4:11 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Your frank opinion
I totally agree. The simple fact is that when I left my last job, I was brutally honest with HR. Now my old division manager is no more a division manager.
Managers beware. Payback is a b**** (pardon me).
Akshay Jain
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 3:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Jain, Akshay wrote:
> Bob, they are abusing you.
>
> At my last job, I was brought in to replace a team of four.
> We went from 4 databases to 24. Database creation time went from
> a week to half a day. Up time was quite good.
> I was happy to work overtime until it became obvious that I was
> being abused, with no hope of training. As Joseph said, without training
> we are destined to deliver pizza.
>
> Now I am in an environment that is going towards Java, 8i, etc.
> I have had verbal reassurance on training. If not, I am not going to
There is no such thing as "verbal reassurance". You either have it in writing or you don't.
As far as being "abused", they certainly don't see it that way. Quick refresher in economics. This is capitalism, the point is to maximize profits, and minimize costs. As much as you may get along with the people or company you work for, ultimately you're a "cost" on a balance sheet, and so consequently you have to stand up for yourself. If you are pushed, and you take it, you may keep getting pushed. It's rare that corporations behave compassionately, in my experience. But knowing all this, you'll fare a lot better.
The fact is, if you're a DBA, or any type of computer expert, you're in DEMAND in the industry. Perhaps they need a reminder of this. Know the demand, know your market value.
Just my $0.02.
Sean
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I learned once again that the less = you say the less you say wrong.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>When considering an action such as yours remember = this: Perception is reality. Instead of being known as the hero = who slayed and ogre manager on his way out you may become known as the = problem employee who got his boss fired. The boss who was the father of = three and active volunteer at the local soup kitchen. It doesn't = matter if it isn't true if it is what people perceive. = </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Don't sling crap in a room full of fans.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Jain, Akshay [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:Akshay.Jain_at_cit.com">mailto:Akshay.Jain_at_cit.com</A>]</FON= T> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 4:11 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Your frank opinion</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I totally agree. The simple fact is that when I = left my last job,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I was brutally honest with HR. Now my old = division manager is no</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>more a division manager.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Managers beware. Payback is a b**** (pardon = me). </FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Akshay Jain</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>_______________________</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Newcourt-CIT</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Tel. (416) 507-5385</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A = HREF=3D"mailto:Akshay.Jain_at_cit.com">mailto:Akshay.Jain_at_cit.com</A> = = </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>_______________________</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 3:40 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Jain, Akshay wrote:</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Bob, they are abusing you.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> At my last job, I was brought in to replace a = team of four.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> We went from 4 databases to 24. Database = creation time went from</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> a week to half a day. Up time was quite = good.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I was happy to work overtime until it became = obvious that I was</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> being abused, with no hope of training. = As Joseph said, without training</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> we are destined to deliver pizza.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Now I am in an environment that is going = towards Java, 8i, etc.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I have had verbal reassurance on = training. If not, I am not going to </FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>There is no such thing as "verbal = reassurance". You either have it in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>writing or you don't. </FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>As far as being "abused", they certainly = don't see it that way. Quick</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>refresher in economics. This is capitalism, = the point is to maximize</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>profits, and minimize costs. As much as you = may get along with the people</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>or company you work for, ultimately you're a = "cost" on a balance sheet,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and so consequently you have to stand up for = yourself. If you are pushed,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and you take it, you may keep getting pushed. = It's rare that corporations</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>behave compassionately, in my experience. But = knowing all this, you'll</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>fare a lot better.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The fact is, if you're a DBA, or any type of computer = expert, you're in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DEMAND in the industry. Perhaps they need a = reminder of this. Know the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>demand, know your market value.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just my $0.02.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sean</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Author: </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> INET: sean.hull_at_pobox.com</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fat City Network Services -- (858) = 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>San Diego, = California -- Public Internet = access / Mailing Lists</FONT> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>---------------------------------------------------------------= -----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an = E-Mail message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of = 'ListGuru') and in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB = ORACLE-L</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed = from). You may</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>also send the HELP command for other information = (like subscribing).</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Author: Jain, Akshay</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> INET: Akshay.Jain_at_cit.com</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fat City Network Services -- (858) = 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>San Diego, = California -- Public Internet = access / Mailing Lists</FONT> <BR><FONT = SIZE=3D2>---------------------------------------------------------------= -----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an = E-Mail message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of = 'ListGuru') and in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB =Received on Mon Jun 05 2000 - 16:22:20 CDT
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