Re[2]: Oracle DBA opening in Englewood, CO

From: <dgoulet_at_vicr.com>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:16:59 -0400
Message-Id: <10501.105967@fatcity.com>

Well, I can't speak for all developers, but the ones we have are pretty s= mart
and they write some really good scripts (for the most part). And our man= agement
requires that we test them out in a development area before running them = on
production, so none of the previous bothers me. Where I have a problem i= s the
end user community that drives the developers. There has been more than = a dozen
cases where what the end user wanted was not what the developer delivered=

because the end user was not sure what he/she wanted. In my book there i= s no
substitute to good requirements definition and a clear understanding of t= hose
requirements by both parties before the first line of code is written.

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Vicor Corporation

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Subject: Re: Oracle DBA opening in Englewood, CO Author: Terry Ball <terry_ball_at_csgsystems.com> Date: 5/18/00 7:24 AM

Actually, my problem isn't with developers, per se. It is with the manag= ement
that allows the stupidity to continue. When you have developers who want=

to put scripts into production without even testing the scripts to make s= ure
nothing is going to break, and management lets it continue time after tim= e, it
can be really frustrating. If the developer WOULD just ask a question or=

two, it would be better than having to back out scripts.

Terry

Steve Boyd wrote:

> We should be more understanding of developers. Just because they don't=

> understand some of the concepts that a DBA would doesn't make them stup=
id.
> They do their job, we do ours. We are the database experts, so they co=
me to
> us with database questions. That's part of our job--helping developers=
with
> database issues. I get kind of tired of DBAs picking on developers. T=
rue,
> there are some dense developers out there, but there are some dense DBA=
s out
> there too.
>
> Why can't we all just get along?
>
> Steve Boyd
>
> >From: Bruce Page <bpage_at_kimball.com>
> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Subject: RE: Oracle DBA opening in Englewood, CO
> >Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:44:59 -0800
> >
> >Let me guess... you are the only developer in your shop or they all ha=
ve
> >more experience than you.
> >
> >I have received as many stupid questions from developers as I have fro=
m end
> >users. And end users do not write code to go against my databases.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:29 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >I agree. The job of the DBA seems to be everything that everyone else=

> >either doesn't want to do or doesn't have the ability to do. We get t=
he
> >wonderful task of figuring out all of the things too hard for everyone=
else
> >to figure out.
> >
> >But, I would much rather support developers than users. Users ask too=
many
> >stupid questions.
> >
> >Chris Griffith
> >OCP DBA
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:15 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >There seems to be differing views here.
> >
> >I would suggest that this is a very typical jd for many production DBA=
's.
> >I
> >would go on to suggest that many DBA's are in deed jack of all trades =
(and
> >master of some, I would hope). I have been in roles where I sat on my=
DBA
> >throne and dictated to developers on how to optimise their code and I =
have
> >been in roles where I did everything from install and configure hardwa=
re to
> >wipe users bums. Your typical DBA does what's needed to get the job d=
one.
> >
> >And I would take a week supporting uses over a day supporting develope=
rs
> >anytime!
> >
> >Phil West - Impex IT ltd
> >Unix Sys Admin and Oracle Financials DBA Services
> >
> >[ all opinions, unless otherwise stated, are personal
> >and subject to change without reason or warning ! ]
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 3:40 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >I've been an Oracle DBA for 1.5 years. For the last six months I've wo=
rked
> >as a Java developer, in addition to supporting Oracle databases (all
> >development). I'm at a crossroads here, trying to decide on a career p=
ath.
> >Is the job description below pretty typical for DBA work? The idea of
> >providing help desk support and end user support is enough to make me
> >vomit.
> >That is just my personal preference.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 8:04 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> >Currently, Great-West Life has a full-time permanent position availabl=
e in
> >the
> >Financial Services Systems Division working on the Technical Infrastru=
cture
> >team
> >(comprised of System Administrators, Database Administrators and Syste=
m
> >Programmers). This challenging and team-oriented environment supports=
our
> >rapidly growing Financial Services Division.
> >
> >Helping to set long-term technical direction for the division, this
> >individual
> >will be responsible for:
> >
> >=B7 Providing technical support on UNIX-based distributed computing pl=
atforms
> >(specifically Sun/Solaris systems) for Oracle RDBMS and related produc=
ts
> >(e.g.,
> >SQL*Plus, Pro*C, PL/SQL, Developer/2000 specifically Forms 4.5,
> >Designer/2000,
> >Browser).
> >=B7 Perform 1st and 2nd Tier Help Desk and end-user support. In this
> >capacity,
> >will analyze and resolve technical issues relating to:
> > - In-house applications
> > - 3rd party software
> > - Database performance, capacity, recovery
> > - Hardware and associated peripherals (some)
> >=B7 The installation and management of Oracle related products.
> >=B7 Acting as team lead/coordinator of major project initiatives relat=
ed to
> >the
> >DBA team.
> >=B7 Document all operations procedures related to team.
> >=B7 Some on-call time required (no more than 1/4 of year as primary DB=
A).
> >M
> > ust have previous database administration experience, specifically w=
ith
> >Oracle
> >v7.x and v8.x, preferably on Sun Solaris environments. Needs to be ab=
le
> >tom
> > ultitask and deal with a high-level of interruptions. Strong
> >interpersonal
> >and
> >communication skills a requirement to succeed in this position. Other=

> >desirable
> >experience:
> >
> >=B7 Sun Servers, Solaris operating system.
> >=B7 EcoTools, Veritas Volume Manager, Veritas File System, Veritas Qui=
ck I/O.
> >=B7 UNIX Tools & Utilities, (C/Bourne/Korn shell, Perl, tar, cpio, etc=
=2E),
> >NFS,
> >NIS, TCP/IP.
> >=B7 Intranet, Internet & Extranet, and WEB server environments.
> >=B7 Project Management.
> >=B7 System Security.
> >=B7 Server Capacity Planning and Performance Tuning.
> >=B7 X-terminals, Workstations, PCs.
> >=B7 Multi-threaded server experience.
> >
> >This position requires a degree in Computer Science or Information Sys=
tems,
> >or
> >equivalent applicable work experience.
> >
> >Please send resume to :
> >
> > Alan Bowden
> >Great-West Life & Annuity Insurance Company
> > 8515 E. Orchard Rd., MS-5T2
> > Englewood, CO 80111
> > FAX: (303) 737-4850
> > EMAIL: alan.bowden_at_gwl.com
> >
> >
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