Re: Oracle 9iAS vs Oracle 10g AS

I agree with most of your post Hans. The thing is, I have essentially been given the mantel to run with this J2EE stuff. The funny part is this, we have been using pieces of J2EE for years but the management things EJB equals J2EE.

I agree that entity beans really are not for us, stateless session beans seem like a logical way to go. However, entity beans might be useful BUT I do not see J2EE as a quick "solve". One bean takes 4 classes? I'm sorry, I love Java and Open source, but this is ridiculous. As much as I dislike Microsoft, .NET development is a BREEZE compared to this.

I went off on a tangent, sorry. However, we are using JDeveloper because of the
ADF UIX components (for the web) and because we want top move away from PL/SQL (where possible). For our strictly Java apps, we will continue to use Netbeans.

I do have a couple more questions though, what do you guys think of these?

#1. Some type of CVS integration for the UIX stuff? How do is thisdone? I mean, finding a change someone did in this stuff could take fays. I saw that there is CVS integrations but it seems like that is on a perfile basis, not a built in CVS which lets you check out an entire UIX form for example and all necessary files with one stroke.

#2. Since we will be using ADF we don't really define the underpinnings, even though it is using J2EE "stuff". How worries do I need to be about this automated code? Is the ADF stuff too heavey weight?

#3. JSF (Java server faces)... is ADF doing what JSF will soon be doing?

-Joie

Hans Forbrich <forbrich_at_yahoo.net> wrote in message news:<xNiMc.110149$eO.65078_at_edtnps89>...
> John Smith wrote:
>
> > Well, I say I am interested in the J2EE portion because we currently
> > have an Oracle 9iAS license and all 9i databases except for one which
> > is 10g. We do not currently have a 10g AS license. However, I am
> > instructed to use Jdeveloper 10g, I have built some sample apps using
> > JDeveloper 10g specific (ADF-UIX) and have not had any issues so far
> > hitting a 9i database (in the dev environment). However, I am curious
> > whether we are reaping the REAL benefits if the database is not 10g.
> > So I guess the better question is, are the AS upgrades (as in J2EE 1.4
> > compliant) really separate from the 10g database?
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> Not only thoughts, but opinions as well <g>
>
> There is nothing wrong with using Java, and JDeveloper has so many
> innovations and built in tools that it is almost worth using even if you
> don't Java at all.
>
> J2EE is a great specification and should be considered as one of the
> possible tools for developing a final solution. However, you need to
> realize that J2EE contains 2 major area:
>
> - Web side (Servlet and JSP)
> - Business side (EJB)
>
> Also realize that Servlets can directly contact Stored Procedures through
> JDBC. Servlets and JSPs are 'A Good Thing'
>
> Many organizations are now finding that EJB is a heavyweight tool that is
> satisfactory for industrial-strength distributed middle-tier. (EJB often
> attempts to remove dependancy on specific databases by absorbing much of
> the database capability into itself.) It does need a LOT of very
> specialized care and feeding and even pro-J2EE organizations are starting
> to realize EJB is VERY expensive.
>
> An organization that has a decent knowledge of, and significant investment
> in, Oracle and wants to see that investment paid back should consider using
> [none or ONLY stateless session beans] and should also look to other
> technology - such as [Java and/or PL/SQL] Stored Procedures - wherever
> 'Entity Beans' might be considered.
>
> A decent discussion about the risks and costs of J2EE, and some
> alternatives, is in the O'Reilly Book "Better, Faster, Lighter Java" at
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/bfljava/
>
> Oracle Application Server 10g is a significant improvement over Oracle9i App
> Server (even given the "repca is not currently on WIndows" limitation)
> especially in the areas of administration. Definitely worth considering.
>
> Oracle Database 10g is a significant improvement over Oracle9i Database,
> especially in the areas of administration. However, I am not aware of any
> significant changes in Oracle Database 10g that could benefit a pure J2EE
> 1.4 application over Oracle9i Database.
>
> When playing in a pure J2EE arena, the benefits of Oracle Database 10g and
> Oracle Application Server 10g are (IMO) truly independent. This statement
> changes when you start looking at Oracle Application Server 10g Standard or
> Enterprise Edition.
>
> (Note: I am NOT an Oracle employee)
> /Hans
Received on Mon Jul 26 2004 - 08:54:27 CDT