Thats why I carefully wrote:
"opportunity for benefits"
as opposed to
"benefits"
:-)
- Mogens_Nørgaard <mln_at_miracleas.dk> wrote: > It's
the Best of Breed versus One Vendor debate, and
> there are pros and
> cons galore.
>
> The perfect scenario, of course, is when they
> combine, so one vendor
> delivers the best of everything. That's what we have
> with Microsoft,
> isn't it? ;-) : Office stuff, OS, Database, ERP,
> CRM, video player, what
> have you...
>
> Then on the Support side of things, it's indeed good
> to be able to call
> One Vendor Only... if that vendor is good at
> Support. If he isn't, you
> might be better off if you have more than one option
> for calling.
>
> Mogens
>
> Pete Sharman wrote:
>
> >Just a couple of comments on this which hopefully
> won't go down the
> >Marketing track too far. :)
> >
> >1. I'm pretty sure Steve Adams agrees with you,
> since he co-presented
> >on ASM at OracleWorld in San Fran. Not sure if he
> monitors this group
> >actively or not, but I believe the presentation he
> did is loaded with
> >all the other OracleWorld 2003 presentations so you
> can see what he
> >said.
> >
> >2. One point which makes a lot of sense to me, and
> it happens in a
> >variety of places in 10g such as ASM and the RAC
> clusterware. If you
> >have one vendor to raise an issue with (not that
> you'd need to do that
> >with Oracle of course!), it's a lot easier to get
> an answer without the
> >finger pointing that can go on between vendors.
> Take the clusterware
> >example - if you run into a problem running RAC on
> Sun with the Sun
> >Cluster technology and Veritas owning the disk
> side, who you gonna call?
> >GhostBusters, maybe! But if you're running RAC on
> Sun with Oracle's
> >clusterware and ASM, it's a lot easier to determine
> who to call.
> >
> >Pete
> >
> >"Controlling developers is like herding cats."
> >
> >Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
> >
> >"Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!"
> >
> >Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Connor McDonald
> >Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:34 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >As with anything I suppose, if a single vendor can
> be
> >in control of more of the stack between application
> >and physical server structure then there is a
> greater
> >opportunity for benefits. For example, ASM offers
> the
> >ability to add disks to a stripe without needing to
> >redistribute(reload) the entire stripeset.
> >
> >A (bug-free) ASM product looks very very impressive
> to
> >me. Time will tell how close Oracle are to
> achieving
> >it.
> >
> >hth
> >connor
> >
> > --- ryan_oracle_at_cox.net wrote: > no ASMs are
> >considerably different. Its supposed to
> >
> >
> >>manage everything. You dont give it a file, you
> give
> >>it entire disks and oracle does everything. Sets
> up
> >>files, manages, I/O, everything.
> >>
> >>you only look at the tablespace level. you dont
> even
> >>install any software on it. If your on SAN, you
> dont
> >>install SAN software on it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Goulet, Dick" <DGoulet_at_vicr.com>
> >>>Date: 2003/12/19 Fri AM 09:14:27 EST
> >>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >>>
> >>>
> >><ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Subject: RE: 10g new features question for beta
> >>>
> >>>
> >>testers
> >>
> >>
> >>>That is not exactly a new feature. Oracle 9i has
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Oracle Managed Files where you give it a directory
> >>and then just build tablespaces. The database
> picks
> >>the filenames for you. Now mind you it does work,
> >>but I'll be damned if I use it in anything other
> >>than a development environment. For some reason
> >>Oracle has never gotten over that DUMB SAME
> (Stripe
> >>And Mirror Everything) idea. The concept is great
> >>in theory, but in practice it's absolutely abysmal
> >>at best.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dick Goulet
> >>>Senior Oracle DBA
> >>>Oracle Certified 8i DBA
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:24 AM
> >>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I saw a presentation from Oracle on 10g new
> >>>
> >>>
> >>features last night in Reston,VA. I know atleast
> one
> >>other person from the list was there. Since Oracle
> >>is releasing details and its going to be
> released(in
> >>theory) in the next 2 weeks, I was wondering if
> you
> >>guys could talk about it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>1. does ASMs work as well as Oracle claims? I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>always wonder about first generation features...
> >>takes most software vendors a couple of
> generations
> >>to get it right(takes any project Im on just as
> >>long). This is a radical departure.
> >>
> >>
> >>>for those of you who dont know. Oracle claims
> that
> >>>
> >>>
> >>they will manage your disks for you. All you do is
> >>give Oracle some Raw Disks and Oracle will set up,
> >>and handle all your datafiles. All you do is look
> at
> >>logical tablespaces. It will also handle I/O
> >>balancing.
> >>
> >>
> >>>How well does this work? Anyone test it with a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>SAN?
> >>
> >>
> >>>2. RAC Load Balancing. Oracle claims that you
> only
> >>>
> >>>
> >>need Oracle software from now on. They also claim
> >>that you can load balance multiple applications.
> >>Lets say you have One application that runs batch
> >>loads over night and a transactional application
> >>during the day.... oracle will automatically steal
> >>resources from the other when its not busy...
> >>
> >>
> >>>anyone test this?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>3. Flashback database. Kyte was the presenter and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>he said that you can keep massive undo areas, so
> >>that if you have a failure or delete data you
> >>shouldnt have you can have oracle automatically
> >>write the DML necessary to bring it back to any
> >>point in time. Kyte said that regular EIDE hard
> >>drives that you put in home PCs are plenty fast
> >>enough for most systems. He recommends getting 4
> 300
> >>GB drives(1.2 TBs) for about $1400 to do this and
> to
> >>make tape backups off of this since they are
> really
> >>slow.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Can any beta testers comment?
> >>>
> >>>Im pleased with the rename tablespace feature...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>that way I dont have to update TS$ anymore... I
> >>wonder if it was our complaining that got them to
> >>add it :)
> >>
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