Re: RE: 10g new features question for beta testers

SAME is stripe and mirror everything. There is a doc on otn by that name. ASMs will do that for you, 'in theory'.

kyte is the technical face of oracle. This is why they pay him so much money.

presentation would have been better if people didnt play 'stump the dba'. It seems like people were trying to show him how smart they were by asking irrelevent narrow questions that will be in the docs when they come in the next couple of months... wish he would have cut them off and covered more big picture stuff.
>
> From: Michael Thomas <mhthomas_at_yahoo.com>
> Date: 2003/12/19 Fri PM 01:14:29 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Subject: RE: 10g new features question for beta testers
>
> I was in Reston last night, too. Also, Tom repeatedly
> emphasized RMAN, which I've not spent enough time
> mastering, will be even more important in 10g. Does
> everyone here use RMAN that is using 9i currently?
>
> BTW. Tom mentioned SAME, as you say, but I can not
> remember what he said about it. Sorry. Maybe Ryan
> remembers?
>
> As far as ASM, I thought it was interesting that ASM
> was supposed to run as additional PMON/SMON processes
> with separate dynamic V$ views as the API.
>
> I was pretty impressed that Tom was spending the week
> before holidays travelling around and doing Oracle
> presentations. He is really amazing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> --- "Goulet, Dick" <DGoulet_at_vicr.com> wrote:
> > That is not exactly a new feature. Oracle 9i has
> > Oracle Managed Files where you give it a directory
> > and then just build tablespaces. The database picks
> > the filenames for you. Now mind you it does work,
> > but I'll be damned if I use it in anything other
> > than a development environment. For some reason
> > Oracle has never gotten over that DUMB SAME (Stripe
> > And Mirror Everything) idea. The concept is great
> > in theory, but in practice it's absolutely abysmal
> > at best.
> >
> > Dick Goulet
> > Senior Oracle DBA
> > Oracle Certified 8i DBA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:24 AM
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> >
> >
> > I saw a presentation from Oracle on 10g new features
> > last night in Reston,VA. I know atleast one other
> > person from the list was there. Since Oracle is
> > releasing details and its going to be released(in
> > theory) in the next 2 weeks, I was wondering if you
> > guys could talk about it.
> >
> > 1. does ASMs work as well as Oracle claims? I always
> > wonder about first generation features... takes most
> > software vendors a couple of generations to get it
> > right(takes any project Im on just as long). This is
> > a radical departure.
> >
> > for those of you who dont know. Oracle claims that
> > they will manage your disks for you. All you do is
> > give Oracle some Raw Disks and Oracle will set up,
> > and handle all your datafiles. All you do is look at
> > logical tablespaces. It will also handle I/O
> > balancing.
> >
> > How well does this work? Anyone test it with a SAN?
> >
> >
> > 2. RAC Load Balancing. Oracle claims that you only
> > need Oracle software from now on. They also claim
> > that you can load balance multiple applications.
> > Lets say you have One application that runs batch
> > loads over night and a transactional application
> > during the day.... oracle will automatically steal
> > resources from the other when its not busy...
> >
> > anyone test this?
> >
> >
> > 3. Flashback database. Kyte was the presenter and he
> > said that you can keep massive undo areas, so that
> > if you have a failure or delete data you shouldnt
> > have you can have oracle automatically write the DML
> > necessary to bring it back to any point in time.
> > Kyte said that regular EIDE hard drives that you put
> > in home PCs are plenty fast enough for most systems.
> > He recommends getting 4 300 GB drives(1.2 TBs) for
> > about $1400 to do this and to make tape backups off
> > of this since they are really slow.
> >
> > Can any beta testers comment?
> >
> > Im pleased with the rename tablespace feature...
> > that way I dont have to update TS$ anymore... I
> > wonder if it was our complaining that got them to
> > add it :)
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