Re: 10g new features question for beta testers

Imagine the banner text: "Miracle A/S. The Legacy Support of Tomorrow. Filling the Gap (jeans) like nobody else."

Thanks to Tim Gorman for inspiration. I don't recall the text completely anymore, but he used to have this one about "Building tomorrow's legacy systems - one crisis at a time". Or something to that effect.

Mogens

Pete Sharman wrote:

>But I thought this was the perfect opportunity for Miracle to fill any
>perceived gap in support? :)
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>Pete
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>"Controlling developers is like herding cats."
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>Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
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>"Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!"
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>Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
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>-----Original Message-----
>Mogens Nørgaard
>Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:14 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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>It's the Best of Breed versus One Vendor debate, and there are pros and
>cons galore.
>
>The perfect scenario, of course, is when they combine, so one vendor
>delivers the best of everything. That's what we have with Microsoft,
>isn't it? ;-) : Office stuff, OS, Database, ERP, CRM, video player, what
>
>have you...
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>Then on the Support side of things, it's indeed good to be able to call
>One Vendor Only... if that vendor is good at Support. If he isn't, you
>might be better off if you have more than one option for calling.
>
>Mogens
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>Pete Sharman wrote:
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>>Just a couple of comments on this which hopefully won't go down the
>>Marketing track too far. :)
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>>1. I'm pretty sure Steve Adams agrees with you, since he co-presented
>>on ASM at OracleWorld in San Fran. Not sure if he monitors this group
>>actively or not, but I believe the presentation he did is loaded with
>>all the other OracleWorld 2003 presentations so you can see what he
>>said.
>>
>>2. One point which makes a lot of sense to me, and it happens in a
>>variety of places in 10g such as ASM and the RAC clusterware. If you
>>have one vendor to raise an issue with (not that you'd need to do that
>>with Oracle of course!), it's a lot easier to get an answer without the
>>finger pointing that can go on between vendors. Take the clusterware
>>example - if you run into a problem running RAC on Sun with the Sun
>>Cluster technology and Veritas owning the disk side, who you gonna
>>
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>call?
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>>GhostBusters, maybe! But if you're running RAC on Sun with Oracle's
>>clusterware and ASM, it's a lot easier to determine who to call.
>>
>>Pete
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>>"Controlling developers is like herding cats."
>>
>>Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
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>>"Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!"
>>
>>Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Connor McDonald
>>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:34 AM
>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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>>As with anything I suppose, if a single vendor can be
>>in control of more of the stack between application
>>and physical server structure then there is a greater
>>opportunity for benefits. For example, ASM offers the
>>ability to add disks to a stripe without needing to
>>redistribute(reload) the entire stripeset.
>>
>>A (bug-free) ASM product looks very very impressive to
>>me. Time will tell how close Oracle are to achieving
>>it.
>>
>>hth
>>connor
>>
>>--- ryan_oracle_at_cox.net wrote: > no ASMs are
>>considerably different. Its supposed to
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>>>manage everything. You dont give it a file, you give
>>>it entire disks and oracle does everything. Sets up
>>>files, manages, I/O, everything.
>>>
>>>you only look at the tablespace level. you dont even
>>>install any software on it. If your on SAN, you dont
>>>install SAN software on it.
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>>>>From: "Goulet, Dick" <DGoulet_at_vicr.com>
>>>>Date: 2003/12/19 Fri AM 09:14:27 EST
>>>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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>>>>Subject: RE: 10g new features question for beta
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>>>testers
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>>>>That is not exactly a new feature. Oracle 9i has
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>>>Oracle Managed Files where you give it a directory
>>>and then just build tablespaces. The database picks
>>>the filenames for you. Now mind you it does work,
>>>but I'll be damned if I use it in anything other
>>>than a development environment. For some reason
>>>Oracle has never gotten over that DUMB SAME (Stripe
>>>And Mirror Everything) idea. The concept is great
>>>in theory, but in practice it's absolutely abysmal
>>>at best.
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>>>>Dick Goulet
>>>>Senior Oracle DBA
>>>>Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:24 AM
>>>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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>>>>
>>>>I saw a presentation from Oracle on 10g new
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>>>features last night in Reston,VA. I know atleast one
>>>other person from the list was there. Since Oracle
>>>is releasing details and its going to be released(in
>>>theory) in the next 2 weeks, I was wondering if you
>>>guys could talk about it.
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>>>
>>>>1. does ASMs work as well as Oracle claims? I
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>always wonder about first generation features...
>>>takes most software vendors a couple of generations
>>>to get it right(takes any project Im on just as
>>>long). This is a radical departure.
>>>
>>>
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>>>>for those of you who dont know. Oracle claims that
>>>>
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>>>they will manage your disks for you. All you do is
>>>give Oracle some Raw Disks and Oracle will set up,
>>>and handle all your datafiles. All you do is look at
>>>logical tablespaces. It will also handle I/O
>>>balancing.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>>How well does this work? Anyone test it with a
>>>>
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>>>SAN?
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>>>>2. RAC Load Balancing. Oracle claims that you only
>>>>
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>>>need Oracle software from now on. They also claim
>>>that you can load balance multiple applications.
>>>Lets say you have One application that runs batch
>>>loads over night and a transactional application
>>>during the day.... oracle will automatically steal
>>>resources from the other when its not busy...
>>>
>>>
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>>>>anyone test this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>3. Flashback database. Kyte was the presenter and
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>>>he said that you can keep massive undo areas, so
>>>that if you have a failure or delete data you
>>>shouldnt have you can have oracle automatically
>>>write the DML necessary to bring it back to any
>>>point in time. Kyte said that regular EIDE hard
>>>drives that you put in home PCs are plenty fast
>>>enough for most systems. He recommends getting 4 300
>>>GB drives(1.2 TBs) for about $1400 to do this and to
>>>make tape backups off of this since they are really
>>>slow.
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>>>>Can any beta testers comment?
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>>>>Im pleased with the rename tablespace feature...
>>>>
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>>>that way I dont have to update TS$ anymore... I
>>>wonder if it was our complaining that got them to
>>>add it :)
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