Re: ETAGON...

I concur about the software prices on big machines. We work with IBM mainframes and the last upgrade cost us a lot in SOFTWARE licenses, since we moved into a higher performance group.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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>
> Well, I'm going to get involved here saying upfront that my company is a
> competitor of Etagon's, so I'm certainly biased, both about us vs. Etagon
> and RAC in general.
>
> However, the financial savings of RAC can be significant - we do cost
> analyses all the time of RAC for potential customers, and its often as
> simple as:
>
> 2 mid-size sun servers (we'll say 16 processors) - $300,000 each =
$600,000
> a cluster of 5 4-way servers = $100,000
> Cost of RAC per processor (list, even!) - $20,000 x 20 = $400,000
>
> So, not taking into account the cost of clustering software for the two
big
> sun boxes, the cost of downtime due to hardware failure, sun platinum
> support, discounted RAC licenses, forklift upgrades, and more expensive
> backup and other software licenses for larger servers - basically the
> simplest analysis you can do, RAC is still $100k cheaper.
>
> If we do add in those other factors, RAC becomes even more cost-effective.
> Where some of those cost savings get eaten up, though is in additional
> complexity and administration cost - which is where companies like mine
and
> Etagon find a market. RAC is hard, there's no question.
>
> The financial savings in RAC generally don't come from the license costs
(I
> can show how you can save on license costs, but we're straying into an
> advertisement for our product at that point), they come from improved
> availability and reduced hardware costs. Big SMP servers are
exponentially
> more expensive than small ones, and the software that runs on them is
> correspondingly exponentially expensive.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ml-errors_at_fatcity.com [mailto:ml-errors_at_fatcity.com] On
> > Behalf Of Mogens Nørgaard
> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:29 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re: ETAGON...
> >
> >
> > Etagon invited me to come and visit them at their stand at the UKOUG
> > conference in Birmingham next week. Don't know if I'll have
> > time or not,
> > but in general I'm still looking for hard evidence of
> > financial savings
> > using RAC, ie a real comparison where switching to RAC (on whatever
> > platform) meant lower license costs in total. I've only seen
> > calculations where the price of RAC was omitted or hugely discounted.
> > I'm even willing to ignore the increase in complexity that
> > follows from
> > clustering and RAC'ing... One thing, though, that I will not
> > accept, is
> > this notion of TCO. It seems that anybody can use that thing to prove
> > any point, so it becomes hard to compare :).
> >
> > If RAC is cheaper for you than non-RAC it must be because you
> > save the
> > $20K per CPU somewhere else. Or?
> >
> > Mogens
> >
> > Gunnar Berglund wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I would like to hear, if you have any experience concering Etagon...
> > >
> > > Short review:
> > >
> > > Etagon is an Israeli company and their product is Data Center
> > > Automation SW focussing initially on Oracle 9i RAC clustering SW.
> > > Etagon claims that their SW can produce fundamental savings
> > in 9i RAC
> > > installation and lifecycle management.
> > >
> > > Please see their web site; www.etagon.com <http://www.etagon.com>
> > >
> > > I'd be interested to hear if you know Etagon already and in any case
> > > what is your take on their value proposition. Is 9i RAC
> > installation &
> > > maintenance a real pain point to you? And could Etagon SW possibly
> > > ease that pain?
> > >
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