Re: ETAGON...

Good stuff. Thanks.

So what you're saying below is this:

Before: 2 16-cpu Sun's: $600K for HW and OS plus 32 x $40K for Oracle, ie a total of $1.680K? Is that correct?
After: 5 4-cpu Intel boxes: $100K for HW and OS plus 20 x $60K for Oracle, ie a total of 1.300K?

What confuses me, I think, is the difference in number of CPU's mentioned when only the additonal RAC price tag of $20K was mentioned.

Is it possible to move from 32 Sparc CPU's to 20 Intel CPU's?

Mogens

Yechiel Adar wrote:

>I concur about the software prices on big machines. We work with IBM
>mainframes and the last upgrade cost us a lot in SOFTWARE licenses, since we
>moved into a higher performance group.
>
>Yechiel Adar
>Mehish
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>>Well, I'm going to get involved here saying upfront that my company is a
>>competitor of Etagon's, so I'm certainly biased, both about us vs. Etagon
>>and RAC in general.
>>
>>However, the financial savings of RAC can be significant - we do cost
>>analyses all the time of RAC for potential customers, and its often as
>>simple as:
>>
>>2 mid-size sun servers (we'll say 16 processors) - $300,000 each =
>>
>>
>$600,000
>
>
>>a cluster of 5 4-way servers = $100,000
>>Cost of RAC per processor (list, even!) - $20,000 x 20 = $400,000
>>
>>So, not taking into account the cost of clustering software for the two
>>
>>
>big
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>>sun boxes, the cost of downtime due to hardware failure, sun platinum
>>support, discounted RAC licenses, forklift upgrades, and more expensive
>>backup and other software licenses for larger servers - basically the
>>simplest analysis you can do, RAC is still $100k cheaper.
>>
>>If we do add in those other factors, RAC becomes even more cost-effective.
>>Where some of those cost savings get eaten up, though is in additional
>>complexity and administration cost - which is where companies like mine
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>Etagon find a market. RAC is hard, there's no question.
>>
>>The financial savings in RAC generally don't come from the license costs
>>
>>
>(I
>
>
>>can show how you can save on license costs, but we're straying into an
>>advertisement for our product at that point), they come from improved
>>availability and reduced hardware costs. Big SMP servers are
>>
>>
>exponentially
>
>
>>more expensive than small ones, and the software that runs on them is
>>correspondingly exponentially expensive.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Matt
>>
>>--
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>>GridApp Systems
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: ml-errors_at_fatcity.com [mailto:ml-errors_at_fatcity.com] On
>>>Behalf Of Mogens Nørgaard
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:29 AM
>>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>>>Subject: Re: ETAGON...
>>>
>>>
>>>Etagon invited me to come and visit them at their stand at the UKOUG
>>>conference in Birmingham next week. Don't know if I'll have
>>>time or not,
>>>but in general I'm still looking for hard evidence of
>>>financial savings
>>>using RAC, ie a real comparison where switching to RAC (on whatever
>>>platform) meant lower license costs in total. I've only seen
>>>calculations where the price of RAC was omitted or hugely discounted.
>>>I'm even willing to ignore the increase in complexity that
>>>follows from
>>>clustering and RAC'ing... One thing, though, that I will not
>>>accept, is
>>>this notion of TCO. It seems that anybody can use that thing to prove
>>>any point, so it becomes hard to compare :).
>>>
>>>If RAC is cheaper for you than non-RAC it must be because you
>>>save the
>>>$20K per CPU somewhere else. Or?
>>>
>>>Mogens
>>>
>>>Gunnar Berglund wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>I would like to hear, if you have any experience concering Etagon...
>>>>
>>>>Short review:
>>>>
>>>>Etagon is an Israeli company and their product is Data Center
>>>>Automation SW focussing initially on Oracle 9i RAC clustering SW.
>>>>Etagon claims that their SW can produce fundamental savings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>in 9i RAC
>>>
>>>
>>>>installation and lifecycle management.
>>>>
>>>>Please see their web site; www.etagon.com <http://www.etagon.com>
>>>>
>>>>I'd be interested to hear if you know Etagon already and in any case
>>>>what is your take on their value proposition. Is 9i RAC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>installation &
>>>
>>>
>>>>maintenance a real pain point to you? And could Etagon SW possibly
>>>>ease that pain?
>>>>
>>>>
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