RE: guidance

Oh he does that all the time, part time DBA, full time salesman. You got to make the big bucks somehow...

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Rognes, Sten
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

That Burleson paper referenced below, <http://www.praetoriate.com/oracle_tips_sorting_operations.htm> http://www.praetoriate.com/oracle_tips_sorting_operations.htm, is quite entertaining. (I'd be careful with using it as guidance) Found at least 5 errors/urban myths is in it which is pretty good for such a short paper. His last paragraph for sure cracks me up:  

<quote> If you like Oracle tuning, you might enjoy my latest book "Creating a Self-tuning Oracle Database" by Rampant TechPress. It's only $9.95 (I don't think it is right to charge a fortune for books!) and you can buy it right now at this link:  <http://www.rampant.cc/book_oracle9i_sga.htm> www.rampant.cc/book_oracle9i_sga.htm </quote>    

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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Indeed, that statement doesn't even pass the 'Is it reasonable test'.

Assume a sort in memory takes 0.2 seconds. Accordingly, the same sort on disk would take 46.7 minutes:

( .2 * 14000 ) / 60 = 46.6666666666667

That just doesn't sound reasonable to me.

Jared

        "Cary Millsap" <cary.millsap_at_hotsos.com> Sent by: ml-errors_at_fatcity.com

 09/26/2003 08:34 AM
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I'd be interested to see the sequence of tests that support the hypothesis that "disk sorts are about 14,000 times slower than memory sorts."

Cary Millsap
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-----Original Message-----
DENNIS WILLIAMS
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Rich - Actually the hint in that posting made me realize what I was wrestling with on an index build. Don Burleson explains it well http://www.praetoriate.com/oracle_tips_sorting_operations.htm

Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

OK, I'll bite: If SORT_AREA_SIZE isn't to be set, then what is? Are you
referring to the automagic PGA management?

Rich

Rich Jesse                           System/Database Administrator
rjesse_at_qtiworld.com                  Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA

10:30 AM CST = 5:30 PM CEST. Rats! Now I'll have to wait until tomorrow
for an answer... :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:mln_at_miracleas.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:45 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: guidance
>
>
> Just talked to Jonathan Lewis from Helsinki. He went through
> some of the
> examples given in the latest issue of Oracle Magazine, and they were
> just plain wrong.
>
> I can't recall them in detail, but I think one of the questions were
> which parameter to set in order to let a user do large sorts.
> In 9i you
> shouldn't set sort_area_size, but that was the correct answer. And so
> on, and so forth.
>
> So the important advise is to do what you think they would
> like to hear :).
>
> Mogens
>
> bulbultyagi_at_now-india.net.in wrote:
>
> >List , I am planning to give my 9i performance tuning exam
> on the first .
> >Any advice you all want to give me ? Pretty nervous about
> it. Sure would
> >appreciate your guidance.
> >........

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