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RE: Offshore protests

From: Mladen Gogala <>
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:24:48 -0800
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Well, if we continue the trend, now allow me a little bit of SF here, then we
will become a nation of indistinguishable bean counters while going to the moon
and breaking the barriers in physics will be subcontracted to Bangalore and Hyderabad.
USS Enterprise will have to be renamed to USS Utar Pradesh, with captain Sanjay
and Mr. Spock at the helm. I can definitely see a value there.

Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [] On
> Behalf Of Daniel Fink
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:05 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: Offshore protests
> I realize that it may be terrifying, but there is a great
> deal of value in becoming indistinguishable. How many
> accounting/hr/finance jobs are going overseas? None that I
> have heard of. There are a ton of managers I wish we could
> offshore (but only about 1 mile off shore...). Bear with me
> for a moment, as I see the issue of 'self tuning' databases
> and the 'death' of the dba as all of the same larger issue.
> Consider Cary's quote "Work first to reduce the biggest
> response time component of a business' most important user
> action." To optimize we must understand the business and the
> user, not just look at raw statistics from Enterprise
> Manager. This requires constant interaction with all levels
> of business, knowledge of the application architecture and
> awareness of the business goals. None of these can be done by
> a canned application nor isolated geek. If you solve problems
> and make yourself valuable to the business, you are in a
> better position to stay when others are let go. I'm not
> advocating any of the sneaky, unethical, self-promoting
> activities that some of our most despised coworkers are good
> at, but it is important to manage your own personal,
> technical and business reputations in a favorable light.
> Before I step down from my soapbox, I'd like to address the
> issue of 'idle' events. In my opinion, there are no 'idle'
> events. Each event can have meaning within the context of the
> system. I have seen SQL*Net messages indicate a chatty java
> program and poor file configuration. I have also seen cases
> where these messages consumed hours of time, but were safe to
> ignore. The only way you can understand when to discount
> these events is to have a solid understanding of the
> application/process. Which is something those canned apps
> can't do. The only way to understand properly is communication.
> <ducking for cover...>
> Dan
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
> > No problem with beating people up. Violence is, contrary to Chris
> > Lawson's book, an integral part of DBA job. BTW, Chris
> Lawsons' "Art
> > and Science of Tuning Oracle"
> > reads like Dale Carnegie for database administrators.
> Basically, we should
> > give up
> > our cynical attitude, become indistinguishable from the
> HR/finance drones
> > and get
> > rid of our geekish culture. Really terrifying stuff.
> >
> > --
> > Mladen Gogala
> > Oracle DBA
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