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RE: Offshore protests

From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:19:40 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.005D0D59.20030923071940@fatcity.com> 





Peter


   If you feel the being an experienced Oracle DBA will continue to be as
scarce a commodity as it was during the dot-com boom, then read no further.
If however, you feel that in the future you may no longer rely on being
treated like royalty, then I would argue that Dale has some very relevant
points for the DBA that wants to increase interpersonal skills. And I have
surveyed many of the self-help books being published and haven't found
anyone that says it better. The only problem, as you say with the 50+ years
since he wrote, many of his examples are dated. 



Dennis Williams


DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA



Lifetouch, Inc.


dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com 




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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:14 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L




"Dale Carnegie" ? ! My - that dates you! (Unless it has recently been
reprinted - after 50 years!)



peter


edinburgh




> -----Original Message-----

> From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:mladen_at_wangtrading.com]

> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:55 PM

> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> Subject: RE: Offshore protests

> 

> 

> No problem with beating people up. Violence is, contrary to 

> Chris Lawson's

> book,

> an integral part of DBA job. BTW, Chris Lawsons' "Art and 

> Science of Tuning

> Oracle" 

> reads like Dale Carnegie for database administrators. 

> Basically, we should

> give up

> our cynical attitude, become indistinguishable from the 

> HR/finance drones

> and get

> rid of our geekish culture. Really terrifying stuff.

> 

> --

> Mladen Gogala

> Oracle DBA 

> 

> 

> 

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: ml-errors_at_fatcity.com [mailto:ml-errors_at_fatcity.com] On 

> > Behalf Of Orr, Steve

> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:35 PM

> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> > Subject: RE: Offshore protests

> > 

> > 

> > But do we have to beat up people who refuse to join... 

> > Or "make an offer they can't refuse."  ;-)

> > 

> > -----Original Message-----

> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:00 AM

> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> > 

> > 

> > Definitely steel workers. We are being left to sweat in dark 

> > and we frequently get burnt by fire. 

> > 

> > --

> > Mladen Gogala

> > Oracle DBA 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: ml-errors_at_fatcity.com [mailto:ml-errors_at_fatcity.com] 

> > On Behalf 

> > > Of KENNETH JANUSZ

> > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:30 AM

> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> > > Subject: Re: Offshore protests

> > > 

> > > 

> > > The labor unions would definitely be interested.  

> Teamsters, Steel 

> > > Workers, AFSME?

> > > 

> > > Ken Janusz, CPIM

> > > 

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>

> > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:09 AM

> > > 

> > > 

> > > > We could make a splash by organizing a DBA union. I'm 

> > sure that all 

> > > > heads

> > > on

> > > > the Capitol Hill

> > > > would turn when both members show up with banners, 

> > demanding better 

> > > > pay

> > > for

> > > > starved database

> > > > administrators. What do you think, should we mandate 9i OCP for 

> > > > joining

> > > the

> > > > union? If we were

> > > > in London, we could have a permanent beer table at the

> > > White Heart pub

> > > > (or is it the Sphere?). We might even encounter Harry 

> Purvis and 

> > > > exchange the union stories.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Mladen Gogala

> > > > Oracle DBA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > -----Original Message-----

> > > > > From: ml-errors_at_fatcity.com

> > > [mailto:ml-errors_at_fatcity.com] On Behalf

> > > > > Of DENNIS WILLIAMS

> > > > > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:45 AM

> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> > > > > Subject: Offshore protests

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Looks as if tech workers are learning the basics of 

> protesting.

> > > > > 

> > > 

> > http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.j> 

> html?articleID=15000146

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dennis Williams

> > > > > DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA


> > > > > Lifetouch, Inc.

> > > > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

> > > > > --

> > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net

> > > > > --

> > > > > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS

> > > > >   INET: DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM


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