Re: thanks all/OCP

Joan

excellent. thanks,

Regards
Rafiq

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Cyril,

we need some encouragements on those who has the experiences and also has ocp. As Rafig said, if I don't continue updated my ocp, I just know something I have done, limited to my experiences. With ocp, I know "WHAT", then I know "HOW"

Joan

M Rafiq wrote:
>
> Cyril,
>
> One positive point...
>
> It force you to study all upgrade material and read through different
aspect
> of oracle which we normally not read that thoroughly. It always helped me
to
> do ocp upgrade exam to read more of new features else I was not reading
it.
> however, it is not a replacement of my experience of 15 years with
> oracle(since ver 4 DOS and ver 5(unix)
>
> Regards
> Rafiq
>
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> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 19:16:19 -0800
>
> Hello,
>
> I do hope the ocp 'looks well' on ur resume!
> and 'goes down well' with interviewers !
>
> I personally think OCP has lost credibility for
> the following reasons
>
> a. People are known to get through using the
> 'jack pot method' (ie close ur eyes and pray and click the
> option!)
>
> b. People are known to sms the answers!!!
>
> c. Finally everyone in the industry seems to know
> that if not the 1st attempt atleast by the 3rd attempt
> people 'have to get through'
>
> Stuff like the above have made interviewers all over
> wary of "OCP candidates" who mouth a lot of jargon
> without the necessary experience.
>
> This creates a unique problem where a candidate
> is likely to have a 'false sense of confidence'
> just because he 'read something somewhere'
> and this makes it difficult for the interviewer to
> 'imagine the candidate in his team working on workarounds ;)'
> and difficult for the candidate to 'learn'
>
> So the interviewer is likely to take the 'safe option'
> of hiring a guy who has 'genuinely worked 10%' at 10% pay
> rather than hire a guy who has 'genuinely worked 10%'
> done OCP (10i!hahaha) and expects to be paid 100%
> and has airs :(
>
> All the best
>
> Cyril
>
> PS: By the way ....Oracle claims that OCPs get paid more...
> I have not seen such a thing...if 'someone around here' has
> 'seen such a thing' well....good...:)
>
> IMHO OCP is one good money making idea Oracle Education
> developed.......why didnt I think of it earlier :(
>
> On Mon, 26 May 2003 DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote :
> >Congratulations! Well, was it as hard as you thought it was going
> >to be?
> >
> >Dennis Williams
> >DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
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> >thanks to you all and with the almighty's blessings i passed my
> >1ZO-031 9i
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> >Thanks for all the help and advice
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