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Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> RE: Teradata baned from IOUG???
I must admit that I'm a bit tired of the Rich/TUSC bashing here. I've
written and canned two rather terse responses to personal attacks against
Rich. If you want to disagree with his position on BHR, go for it, I have no
problem with that. In fact, I'm not sure I *know* what his current position
is, and will attend his presentation to find out (I suppose I could ask him
since I will be at the office tomorrow).
Personal attacks really are pointless. I would APPRECIATE IT if they would cease.
Further, I am presenting at IOUG-A this year, TWO times. However, I was NOT, repeat NOT, a TUSC employee when I was selected. Why should anyone be *excluded* just because of where they work. If I have something to say that is considered worthy of presentation, then should I be discriminated against just because I work for TUSC?
Of those complaining, I'd be curious if you submitted an abstract (even better more than one) and what the rejected topic was.
RF
Robert G. Freeman
Technical Management Consultant
TUSC - The Oracle Experts www.tusc.com
904.708.5076 Cell (It's everywhere that I am!)
Author of several books you can find on Amazon.com!
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:19 AM
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If there is a demand, I will be happy to expound at some length on the processes by which the papers for our track were chosen, but I do believe that a different forum might be appropriate, as we are getting a bit far off the main topic of how to manage Oracle technology.
We spent last weekend in Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge The drive on I-75 from Knoxville, TN up to Lexington, KY and then I-64 over to Louisville was quite a drive as well.
Send me an e-mail offline next time your going to be in the area and I'll introduce to the very fine products of the Bluegrass Brewing Company.
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:00 AM
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go get'm big dawg.... In all honesty, this was educational to me as I'm not sure that a lot of people understand the process for the selection.. I have learned something today. And once that's accomplished, I need to celebrate.. So now I can go home and drink beer for the rest of the day:-)
Matt-I65 was really ugly last weekend with the Sunday Ice:-)
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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:51 PM
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Alright, Mogens. I'll stand up here.
I'm one of the two DBA focus area managers (FAMs) for IOUG 2003. My fellow FAM and abstract reviewers (3 of them) and I are the ones who choose this presentation (along with all the others in the DBA track).
None of us are employed by TUSC or by Oracle.
You statement: "how certain presentations with the word "ratio" and something negative in their heading don't make it through the selection process, while presentations with the word "ratio" and something positive make it through." is technically accurate. The only other presentation with the word "ratio" in the title was rejected. However, there are a number of others presentations that fall within this specific area of tuning by a number of people, including Roger Schrag, Cary Millsap, Jonathan Lewis,
I cannot and will not go into the particulars of why a specific presentation was chosen, but I can tell you that no weight was given to the employer of the speaker.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:34 PM
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Then why this feeling (in other countries, too) that IOUG should be called TOUG instead? Funny how certain presentations with the word "ratio" and something negative in their heading don't make it through the selection process, while presentations with the word "ratio" and something positive make it through. Funny how an abstract like the following nonsense makes it through the process. Just downright funny, strange and not very convincing... who in their right mind said this was a professional presentation that would be of interest to any serious optimiser guy or girl? Somebody must have said Aye to this. Are you ready? Here we go:
"Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your hit ratio with claims
that it is meaningless. This shallow minded view (usually by people who
sell a tuning tool) ignores why people look at hit ratios and what they
are looking for. This quick tip talk will show you what to look for and
why. You will definitely know when, where & why to look at your hit
ratio in the future.
Show you why your hit ratio matters. How to analyze the hit ratio.
Fallacies by those who want to sell you products and tools instead. "
Henry Poras wrote:
Neither is David Teplow (former president of NOUG)
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<mailto:root_at_fatcity.com> ]On Behalf Of Daniel W. Fink
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:59 PM
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I know Stan Yellott is not a TUSC employee. He is the President of RMOUG and a great guy who has worked behind the scenes at many IOUG conferences. He is a tremendous calming influence (as many of us recall from San Diego).
I don't think Ian, Mark, Bill, Stephen or Steve are TUSC Employees, unless they have changed jobs recently.
Henry Poras wrote:
Anyone know if any of the 10 people running for the Board of Directors for
IOUG is a TUSC employee? Noone claims it in their statements.
Henry
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Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:24 PM
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me too...
Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
ineyman_at_perceptron.com <mailto:ineyman_at_perceptron.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:11 AM
evidently i'm not the only one who thinks that, interesting.
joe
It seems to me that IOUG has become a wholly owned
subsidiary of TUSC. TUSC in turn has an incestuous
relationship with Oracle. All very cozy.
No real complaint about the arrangements. Someone has
to step up to the plate if IOUG is going to continue
to be a viable organization and in this economic
climate few can afford to do it.
Should IOUG be able to survive without Oracle?
Probably. Will it be able to survive without Oracle?
I doubt it.
wrote:
It should be possible for the IOUG to live without
Oracle's support. Obviously it would be better
for all concerned if there is some measure of
co-operation, and there's clearly no need for
bloody-minded conflict. But if the IOUG just
keeps doing things that the users want, then
the users should be able to support it in the
complete absence of any input from Oracle.
Regards
Jonathan Lewis
http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk <http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk>
Coming soon one-day tutorials:
Cost Based Optimisation
Trouble-shooting and Tuning
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MacGregor, Ian A. wrote:
The IOUG cannot live without Oracle's support, but
Oracle can survive
without the IOUG.
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