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Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> RE: Teradata baned from IOUG???
I have an even better option. Come to IOUG Live! in Orlando, FL in April
and listen to paper/presentation 302 and you will have a thorough
understanding on how papers are selected.
Thank You
Stephen P. Karniotis
Product Architect
Compuware Corporation
Direct: (248) 865-4350
Mobile: (248) 408-2918
Email: Stephen.Karniotis_at_Compuware.com
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[mailto:MATT.ADAMS_at_APPL.GE.COM]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:19 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
If there is a demand, I will be happy to expound at some length on the processes by which the papers for our track were chosen, but I do believe that a different forum might be appropriate, as we are getting a bit far off the main topic of how to manage Oracle technology.
We spent last weekend in Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge The drive on I-75 from Knoxville, TN up to Lexington, KY and then I-64 over to Louisville was quite a drive as well.
Send me an e-mail offline next time your going to be in the area and I'll introduce to the very fine products of the Bluegrass Brewing Company.
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:00 AM
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go get'm big dawg.... In all honesty, this was educational to me as I'm not
sure that a lot of people understand the process for the selection.. I have
learned something today. And once that's accomplished, I need to celebrate..
So now I can go home and drink beer for the rest of the day:-)
Matt-I65 was really ugly last weekend with the Sunday Ice:-)
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[mailto:MATT.ADAMS_at_APPL.GE.COM]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:51 PM
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Alright, Mogens. I'll stand up here.
I'm one of the two DBA focus area managers (FAMs) for IOUG 2003. My fellow FAM and abstract reviewers (3 of them) and I are the ones who choose this presentation (along with all the others in the DBA track).
None of us are employed by TUSC or by Oracle.
You statement: "how certain presentations with the word "ratio" and something negative in their heading don't make it through the selection process, while presentations with the word "ratio" and something positive make it through." is technically accurate. The only other presentation with the word "ratio" in the title was rejected. However, there are a number of others presentations that fall within this specific area of tuning by a number of people, including Roger Schrag, Cary Millsap, Jonathan Lewis,
I cannot and will not go into the particulars of why a specific presentation was chosen, but I can tell you that no weight was given to the employer of the speaker.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:34 PM
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Then why this feeling (in other countries, too) that IOUG should be called
TOUG instead? Funny how certain presentations with the word "ratio" and
something negative in their heading don't make it through the selection
process, while presentations with the word "ratio" and something positive
make it through. Funny how an abstract like the following nonsense makes it
through the process. Just downright funny, strange and not very
convincing... who in their right mind said this was a professional
presentation that would be of interest to any serious optimiser guy or girl?
Somebody must have said Aye to this. Are you ready? Here we go:
"Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your hit ratio with claims
that it is meaningless. This shallow minded view (usually by people who
sell a tuning tool) ignores why people look at hit ratios and what they
are looking for. This quick tip talk will show you what to look for and
why. You will definitely know when, where & why to look at your hit
ratio in the future.
Show you why your hit ratio matters. How to analyze the hit ratio.
Fallacies by those who want to sell you products and tools instead. "
Henry Poras wrote:
Neither is David Teplow (former president of NOUG)
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mailto:root_at_fatcity.com
<mailto:root_at_fatcity.com> ]On Behalf Of Daniel W. Fink
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I know Stan Yellott is not a TUSC employee. He is the President of RMOUG and
a great guy who has worked behind the scenes at many IOUG conferences. He is
a tremendous calming influence (as many of us recall from San Diego).
I don't think Ian, Mark, Bill, Stephen or Steve are TUSC Employees, unless they have changed jobs recently.
Henry Poras wrote:
Anyone know if any of the 10 people running for the Board of Directors for IOUG is a TUSC employee? Noone claims it in their statements.
Henry
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Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:24 PM
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me too...
Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
ineyman_at_perceptron.com <mailto:ineyman_at_perceptron.com>
evidently i'm not the only one who thinks that, interesting.
joe
It seems to me that IOUG has become a wholly owned subsidiary of TUSC. TUSC in turn has an incestuous relationship with Oracle. All very cozy.
No real complaint about the arrangements. Someone has to step up to the plate if IOUG is going to continue to be a viable organization and in this economic climate few can afford to do it.
Should IOUG be able to survive without Oracle? Probably. Will it be able to survive without Oracle? I doubt it.
It should be possible for the IOUG to live without Oracle's support. Obviously it would be better for all concerned if there is some measure of co-operation, and there's clearly no need for bloody-minded conflict. But if the IOUG just keeps doing things that the users want, then the users should be able to support it in the complete absence of any input from Oracle.
Regards
Jonathan Lewis
http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk <http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk>
Coming soon one-day tutorials:
Cost Based Optimisation
Trouble-shooting and Tuning
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<http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html> )
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Next Seminar dates:
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MacGregor, Ian A. wrote:
The IOUG cannot live without Oracle's support, but
Oracle can survive
without the IOUG.
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