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FW: Agnostic references for Pracle v SQl Server 2000

From: Martin Kendall <mkendall_at_oracle-rescue.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:02:42 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.004D70BF.20020923120242@fatcity.com>

-----Original Message-----
Sent: 23 September 2002 19:26
To: 'dgoulet_at_vicr.com'

Hi Dick,

Thanks for your reply. This is quite an agonizing situation. This client provides a service for their main benefactor in return for the monies it receives. However it also has other customers that it provides
similar services to. Their main benefactor is a "Microsoft shop" and it seems that by moving to a Microsoft based DB + Dev. environment they hope to be able to attract future contracts from them - just by having similar environments.

But at the same time they want their systems to be "future proof"......

Arggh!

Martin

-----Original Message-----
Sent: 23 September 2002 19:07
To: Martin Kendall; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Martin,

    I'm making the assumption that your not keen on the "vendor lock-in" idea,
which has a lot of problems attached to it. But at the same time it appears
that your client "does not care". Pity, I've seen several companies that died
due to being a MicroSlop only solution provider. But I digress. I will make a
suggestion, go to www.ianywhere.com and see what Sybase has to say about their
zero admin version. They claim to have the LOWEST total cost of ownership of
anyone, including MicroSoft. And for a low usage site might be the better pick.

Dick Goulet

____________________Reply Separator____________________
Author: "Martin Kendall" <mkendall_at_oracle-rescue.com>
Date:       9/23/2002 10:33 AM

Hello all. I need to provide a one page report on why it may be beneficial for an organisation with light usage, small DB to move from Oracle to SQL Server. Their request is purely due to having a recognition of their charity status by Microsoft and therefore being able to get everything
at a much reduced price.  

It is bad enough that they do not have experienced Oracle DBA's on site, now it seems that they are attracted by the apparent ease of use / setup/ Graphical everything.
They are even looking at adopting the same development technology as one of their main benefactors as this may help them win further funding from such a benefactor. I am talking .NET and VB.  

I am also asked to phrase my paper from the point of "future proofing" their business technology.  

I am struggling with the agnostic approach when taking into account the concept of "vendor lock-in".  

It seems that cost is everything. But they will need to accept that cost is not just what you pay
for the base product.  

People, I am not really interested in a "religious war" on this - no doubt such discussion types
have appeared on this List before. All I am asking for is pointers to any ref. material that you may know of.  

Happy days !  

Martin    

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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>at</span></font></span><font size=2
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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<span

class=SpellE>DBA&#8217;s</span> on site,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>They are even looking at adopting the same development
technology
as one of their main benefactors as this may help them<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>win</span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> further
funding from such a benefactor.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;
</span>I

am talking .NET and VB.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I am also asked to phrase my paper from the point of &#8220;future
proofing&#8221; their business technology.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
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account the concept of &#8220;vendor
lock-in&#8221;.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It seems that cost is everything.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>But they will need to accept that cost
is not just what you pay<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>for</span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> the base
product.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>People, I am not really interested in a &#8220;religious
war&#8221;
on this &#8211; no doubt such discussion types<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> appeared on
this List before.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>All I am asking
for is pointers to any ref. material that you may know of.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Happy <span class=GramE>days !</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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