Re: Good DBA vs. Bad DBA

Good, then they will not get more offers and will go on doing the thing that they like.

That is the purpose of refusing advancement.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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> When people refuse a promotion they are sometimes labeled as "not
interested
> in progressing."
>
> Then their reputation is tainted.
>
> Regards,
> Patrice Boivin
> Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:18 AM
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>
>
> You just confirm the Petering Principal
>
> 1) Every man works in a job he is not fit to fill.
> 2) If he is fit for the job he will be advanced until the first rule
apply.
>
> You are lucky if you are still in the process of advancing and
> did not reach rule 1.
>
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:38 AM
>
>
> > I see it like this.
> >
> > You can split it down further.
> >
> > Technical people fall into two categories (OK a bit of a generalisation)
> >
> > 1) Geeks
> > 2) People who are technical yet share other interests outside of the IT
> > world.
> >
> > Im my experience I find that those who fall under the latter category
make
> > good managers.
> >
> > At my last job there were two production teams. A Platinunm service team
> and
> > a gold service team dependant on which level of service the client had
> > bought. I headed up the Platinum team, a colleague headed up the other
> side.
> >
> > My interests outside of work include cooking, going to soccer matches,
> > socialising (OK, going to bars and drinking) etc. etc. etc
> >
> > The other guys interests at home were buying all sorts of gadgetry,
> playing
> > with computers, writing his own operating systems etc. etc
> >
> > I was regarded as a v. good manager (I still see members of my old team
> > socially and still get praised on my management style).
> >
> > The other guy (who still works there) was talked about behind his back
> > mistrusted and generally disliked and now works in an environment where
he
> > no longer has staff under him.
> >
> > I think what I am trying to say is that it is OK to be a technical sort
> and
> > be a manager but I think to be successful you must be a "people person"
as
> > well. A lot of geeks out there can only interact with machines and have
> > great difficulty in relating to members of their own species ;-)
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: 08 May 2002 08:04
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> >
> >
> > It all depends on the background of the Manager -
> > where have they built there careers as a Manager. My
> > current Manager wanted me to check some info using
> > TOAD as ORACLE was not able to answer her questions. I
> > work for a MNC that is known thru out the world.
> >
> > Fazal
> >
> > --- Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
> > > I'm going to chime in on Dennis with this.
> > >
> > > Good managers are frequently not technical.
> > >
> > > Bad managers are frequently technical. They tend to
> > >
> > > micro manage. My belief is that it is because they
> > > don't really know how to manage.
> > >
> > > There are exceptions: I had an excellent manager at
> > > a previous job. He went from tech to management and
> > > does well at both. Rare, but possible.
> > >
> > > Jared
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>
> > > Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
> > > 05/07/2002 03:19 PM
> > > Please respond to ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> > > cc:
> > > Subject: RE: Good DBA vs. Bad DBA
> > >
> > >
> > > Greg - Thanks for taking a stab at it. In reflecting
> > > on the managers I've
> > > had over the years, I disagree with your first
> > > point. Some of my worst
> > > managers have been those that did well at technical
> > > work, but couldn't
> > > manage. Some of my best managers have been
> > > non-technical. They couldn't do
> > > my job or second-guess me, so were forced to
> > > concentrate asking the right
> > > questions. They also spent more time outside the
> > > group building bridges
> > > with
> > > other departments/managers/users so people outside
> > > our department thought
> > > we
> > > were supporting them. This greatly diffused the
> > > antagonism between I.S.
> > > and
> > > the rest of the company.
> > > The other points are cute and true.
> > > Dennis Williams
> > > DBA
> > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:24 PM
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> > >
> > >
> > > Good Manager: Worked their way up from programmer
> > > to DBA to manager.
> > > Bad Manger: Little technical experience, didn't
> > > like programming.
> > >
> > > Good Manager: Patience of a Saint.
> > > Bad Manager: Rules by the Tantrum Method.
> > >
> > > Good Manager: You walk away from a meeting
> > > thinking, "That's a good
> > > idea."
> > > Bad Manager: You walk away from a meeting thinking,
> > > "From now on I'll
> > > keep
> > > the real work to myself, and only ask for an opinion
> > > about what colors to
> > > use on the screens."
> > >
> > > Really Bad Manager: "Is he color blind??"
> > >
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