RE: Good DBA vs. Bad DBA

Hmmm...

I got my first job in "Data Processing" (15 years ago! eek!) from a fellow tech student (albeit he was a "returning student") who left school after 1 year because he became a DBA at this DEC DBMS (hierarchical) shop. He was my co-worker, technical supervisor, and mentor. Even the green novice idiot I was, I left that job after two years because I couldn't take any more ^%$@ from our non-technical boss, who was Manager of Tax and Information Systems. My mentor left shortly afterwards for a company that created a department for him. From there, he partnered with another guy to create what became the largest independent company for it's business in the state in just a few short years.

What this guy doesn't know about his job/company/business, he learns. When he makes a mistake, he admits it and learns from it.

Sounds easy enough, don't it? :)

Rich Jesse                           System/Database Administrator
Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com              Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abul Fazal [mailto:angmokios_at_yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:04 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Good DBA vs. Bad DBA
>
>
> It all depends on the background of the Manager -
> where have they built there careers as a Manager. My
> current Manager wanted me to check some info using
> TOAD as ORACLE was not able to answer her questions. I
> work for a MNC that is known thru out the world.
>
> Fazal
>
> --- Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
> > I'm going to chime in on Dennis with this.
> >
> > Good managers are frequently not technical.
> >
> > Bad managers are frequently technical. They tend to
> >
> > micro manage. My belief is that it is because they
> > don't really know how to manage.
> >
> > There are exceptions: I had an excellent manager at
> > a previous job. He went from tech to management and
> > does well at both. Rare, but possible.
> >
> > Jared
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>
> > Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
> > 05/07/2002 03:19 PM
> > Please respond to ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > cc:
> > Subject: RE: Good DBA vs. Bad DBA
> >
> >
> > Greg - Thanks for taking a stab at it. In reflecting
> > on the managers I've
> > had over the years, I disagree with your first
> > point. Some of my worst
> > managers have been those that did well at technical
> > work, but couldn't
> > manage. Some of my best managers have been
> > non-technical. They couldn't do
> > my job or second-guess me, so were forced to
> > concentrate asking the right
> > questions. They also spent more time outside the
> > group building bridges
> > with
> > other departments/managers/users so people outside
> > our department thought
> > we
> > were supporting them. This greatly diffused the
> > antagonism between I.S.
> > and
> > the rest of the company.
> > The other points are cute and true.
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:24 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Good Manager: Worked their way up from programmer
> > to DBA to manager.
> > Bad Manger: Little technical experience, didn't
> > like programming.
> >
> > Good Manager: Patience of a Saint.
> > Bad Manager: Rules by the Tantrum Method.
> >
> > Good Manager: You walk away from a meeting
> > thinking, "That's a good
> > idea."
> > Bad Manager: You walk away from a meeting thinking,
> > "From now on I'll
> > keep
> > the real work to myself, and only ask for an opinion
> > about what colors to
> > use on the screens."
> >
> > Really Bad Manager: "Is he color blind??"

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