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Well, well, well I think we should also not forget that some people
are good when dealing with people by nature. My previous Manager was
not good at all when dealing with people. Well I know business is
business. He had a technical background, but very bad on managing
people, had favourates, you name them. So unfortunately for him there
was a merger with another company and he missed the gravy train. The
new manager is good because he knows how to handle the team.
There are lots of people I know that don't really have technical
skills but they are excellent when coming to managing people. It does
not necessarily mean that when you are technically skilled you can't
manage people. There is a guys I know from another Company, the man is
good, you can't fool him around, technically or management wise. He is
is just out of this World. He has got an extensive Technical
background plus Management skills. It's all about whether you've got
them or not. You can't socialize with ya Team members and you only
drink Coffee and go home, nothing will be okay.
On Wed, 08 May 2002 05:53:23 -0800 Robertson Lee - lerobe (lerobe_at_acxiom.co.uk) wrote:
>Yep, I definitely fall into the category you mention re. buy drinks
after
>work (sometimes !!!), leave work early when necessary etc. but also
would at
>the end of a good client win/tough time at work really push the boat
out and
>go for the full hog (meal/drinks etc.) It created a great deal of
mutual
>respect and also from time to time team members would organise the
reverse
>where I didn't have to put my hand in my pocket at all.
>Christmases were traditionally where the manager would give everyone
in the
>team something like a bottle of wine/small present each to say thanks
for
>the hard work over the year. This gradually worked the other way when
I
>started receiving little gifts from the guys to say thankyou for
helping
>them through the year. A happy time with a great bunch of people.
>
>Treat as you wish to be treated is a fine "acxiom" (if you forgive
the pun
>!!).
>
>Lee
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:Rachel_Carmichael_at_Sonymusic.com]
>Sent: 08 May 2002 14:33
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
>
>see? I TOLD you all I wasn't a geek :)
>
>I think management style has a lot to do with it as well. Style
breaks down
>into:
>
>managing people
>managing projects
>
>in the first case, you take into consideration the people themselves,
what
>motivates them, what sort of "carrot" you can dangle in front of
them, and
>treat
>them as you would want to be treated (time off if needed, "go home
early,
>it's
>not busy", the occasional "boss buys the drinks after work")
>
>In the second case, you drive work by deadlines, do not consider that
the
>people
>who work for you might have a life and associated problems and needs
outside
>of
>work.
>
>I've NEVER seen a "project" manager well-liked. I've almost always
seen a
>"people" manager well-liked.
>
>And yes, in both cases, the work got done, on time.
>
>Wanna guess which type I try to be?
>
>
>
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>
>I see it like this.
>
>You can split it down further.
>
>Technical people fall into two categories (OK a bit of a
generalisation)
>
>1) Geeks
>2) People who are technical yet share other interests outside of the
IT
>world.
>
>Im my experience I find that those who fall under the latter category
make
>good managers.
>
>At my last job there were two production teams. A Platinunm service
team and
>a gold service team dependant on which level of service the client
had
>bought. I headed up the Platinum team, a colleague headed up the
other side.
>
>My interests outside of work include cooking, going to soccer
matches,
>socialising (OK, going to bars and drinking) etc. etc. etc
>
>The other guys interests at home were buying all sorts of gadgetry,
playing
>with computers, writing his own operating systems etc. etc
>
>I was regarded as a v. good manager (I still see members of my old
team
>socially and still get praised on my management style).
>
>The other guy (who still works there) was talked about behind his
back
>mistrusted and generally disliked and now works in an environment
where he
>no longer has staff under him.
>
>I think what I am trying to say is that it is OK to be a technical
sort and
>be a manager but I think to be successful you must be a "people
person" as
>well. A lot of geeks out there can only interact with machines and
have
>great difficulty in relating to members of their own species ;-)
>
>Lee
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: 08 May 2002 08:04
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>It all depends on the background of the Manager -
>where have they built there careers as a Manager. My
>current Manager wanted me to check some info using
>TOAD as ORACLE was not able to answer her questions. I
>work for a MNC that is known thru out the world.
>
>Fazal
>
>--- Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
>> I'm going to chime in on Dennis with this.
>>
>> Good managers are frequently not technical.
>>
>> Bad managers are frequently technical. They tend to
>>
>> micro manage. My belief is that it is because they
>> don't really know how to manage.
>>
>> There are exceptions: I had an excellent manager at
>> a previous job. He went from tech to management and
>> does well at both. Rare, but possible.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>
>> Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
>> 05/07/2002 03:19 PM
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>>
>>
>> Greg - Thanks for taking a stab at it. In reflecting
>> on the managers I've
>> had over the years, I disagree with your first
>> point. Some of my worst
>> managers have been those that did well at technical
>> work, but couldn't
>> manage. Some of my best managers have been
>> non-technical. They couldn't do
>> my job or second-guess me, so were forced to
>> concentrate asking the right
>> questions. They also spent more time outside the
>> group building bridges
>> with
>> other departments/managers/users so people outside
>> our department thought
>> we
>> were supporting them. This greatly diffused the
>> antagonism between I.S.
>> and
>> the rest of the company.
>> The other points are cute and true.
>> Dennis Williams
>> DBA
>> Lifetouch, Inc.
>> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:24 PM
>> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>>
>>
>> Good Manager: Worked their way up from programmer
>> to DBA to manager.
>> Bad Manger: Little technical experience, didn't
>> like programming.
>>
>> Good Manager: Patience of a Saint.
>> Bad Manager: Rules by the Tantrum Method.
>>
>> Good Manager: You walk away from a meeting
>> thinking, "That's a good
>> idea."
>> Bad Manager: You walk away from a meeting thinking,
>> "From now on I'll
>> keep
>> the real work to myself, and only ask for an opinion
>> about what colors to
>> use on the screens."
>>
>> Really Bad Manager: "Is he color blind??"
>>
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