Re: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?

Hold on Lisa!

Java is not complex. It's a very simple language actually. It took me a week to learn it, though I'm not using it now: I much prefer Perl.

Getting a handle on all of the libraries and API's is another story, but Java as a language is pretty simple.

Jared

On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:14, Koivu, Lisa wrote:
> You have a point Chris, but pl/sql is nowhere near as complex as an OO
> language like java or C++, IMHO. I agree with Tom that pl/sql can be
> learned fairly easily in comparison to the many other choices out there.
> However, it takes a bit of database savvy to do it correctly. (Not much
> tho)
>
> I was amazed in my "database" class in college that the same people failing
> the simple entity-relationship modeling portion of the class that had aced
> the Op Systems and networking classes we took. I nearly failed both
> classes, they were so complex. I was the teacher's pet in the db class
> because I asked him questions that made him think, and he sometimes
> couldn't answer. (And I had to wear a skirt - night student, straight from
> work.)
>
> What's easy for who is dependent on the person's strengths.
>
> Lisa Koivu
> Oracle Database Monkey Mama
> Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Grabowy, Chris [SMTP:cgrabowy_at_fcg.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:14 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> >
> > IMHO, I don't believe that you can "properly" learn PL/SQL in a very
> > short period of time, or for that matter, any other language.
> >
> > I attended Steve Feuerstein's presentation at MAOP-AOTC conference, and
> > he tore into many real-life examples of PL/SQL. Supposedly, these were
> > written
> > by developers that knew what they were doing.
> >
> > Granted, if a smart developer sits down and reads Feuerstein's Learning
> > PL/SQL and Best Practices books, then perhaps they will be good. But who
> > the hell has free time? There is no free time on any project or effort
> > that
> > I know of!! I'm struggling with trying to improve my Oracle DBA skills,
> > plus some developers skills so I can speak their language when they blow
> > out
> > OPEN_CURSORS or something. My head is swimming in the stupid technical
> > alphabet soup, XML, XDK, XSQL, XSLT, XPath, SOAP, ASP, ADO, EJB, BC4J,
> > JDBC,
> > SQLJ, PSP, JVM, JSP, J2EE, EAD, RMI, CORBA, IIOP...and don't ask me what
> > all
> > those mean, because I can't keep them straight. But I do keep hearing
> > that
> > XML is going to put me out of a job, so I guess I should learn
> > that...whatever that is. Isn't XML an add-on, or extension, or something
> > to
> > DML???
> >
> > Now where the heck did I hide that bottle...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:15 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Lisa,
> >
> > You are right about the debate between PL/SQL & Java (or anything else
> > outside of the db).
> >
> > In my mind, the deciding factor (and something that is *never* mentioned)
> > is
> > what programming langauage the organization is satisfied with/settled
> > upon.
> >
> > In my little opinion, *any* programmer can learn PL/SQL in a very short
> > period of time. This means that development and maintenance costs are
> > relatively low. If an IT shop is stronger in Java, then they should
> > probably program in Java, or Cobol, or Ada, or whatever the flavor of the
> > decade happens to be (lets bring back APL!).
> >
> > IT tool selection/standards should be the deciding factor.
> >
> > Tom Mercadante
> > Oracle Certified Professional
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:34 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > This is something that's been debated on the list in the past. The
> > general
> > consensus was:
> >
> > For manipulating data in the database, nothing beats pl/sql. It is well
> > suited for this purpose.
> >
> > For everything else, java could beat it.
> >
> > I am sure fellow list members will post links describing studies. I
> > remember seeing these last year.
> >
> > Stefan, have you tried running your own test? There's a sure fire way to
> > convince yourself. Even a small test (no fancy code) would suffice.
> > Wish I
> > had more time to play...
> >
> > Lisa Koivu
> > Oracle Database Monkey Mama
> > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stefan Jahnke [SMTP:Stefan.Jahnke_at_bov.de]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:49 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: AW: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > how about Java within Oracle. What do you think about it ?
> > > When does it make sense to use Java instead of PL/SQL ?
> > > The problem is that I dislike a mix of different languages
> > > within an application. It messes things up.
> > > But maybe it makes sense to use PL/SQL for most stuff and
> > > Java for some specific things (perhaps accessing a file
> > > or using a network resource ?).
> > > As far as I know, there is an option to compile the Java into
> > > platform dependend code, which would make it execute much faster
> > > then bytecode (and PL/SQL?), since the later has to be interpreted at
> > > run-time.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any opinions ?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: dgoulet_at_vicr.com [mailto:dgoulet_at_vicr.com]
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. April 2002 16:09
> > > An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Betreff: Re:pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> > >
> > >
> > > Lisa,
> > >
> > > It is both true & false at the same time. Obviously any anonymous
> > > blocks
> > > you submit to the database are fully interpreted. PL/SQL that you
> > > store in
> > > the
> > > database as procedures, functions, and packages get partially compiled
> > > into
> > > a
> > > p-code. This makes the code ready for execution, but retains a modular
> > > design
> > > so that if your DBA reloads catproc your code is not totally destroyed.
> > > Where I
> > > think PL/SQL buys us a lot of performance is in reducing the
> > > communications
> > > outside of the database that is otherwise needed. There's no JDBC
> >
> > driver
> >
> > > or
> > > other miscellaneous mess (like SQL*Net) required. It's all handled
> >
> > inside
> >
> > > the
> > > kernel. Now the bad part about PL/SQL that Java handles better is
> > > platform
> > > independence. You can run Java on your client, the apps server or
> > > database
> > > without a problem. PL/SQL on the other hand must be run in the
> >
> > database.
> >
> > > Dick Goulet
> > >
> > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> > > Author: "Koivu; Lisa" <lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com>
> > > Date: 4/29/2002 2:52 PM
> > >
> > > Can this be true? How can this be? If it's optimized to manipulate
> >
> > data
> >
> > > within the database, how can it be fast if it's interpreted (like that
> > > slow
> > > poke, Java)?
> > >
> > > I see this on Connor's website www.oracledba.co.uk under
> >
> > explicit/implicit
> >
> > > cursors, under pl/sql. What on earth?
> > >
> > > Can someone elaborate, namely, Connor?? Please help me understand
> >
> > this...
> >
> > > My "green" may be showing, but my gosh.
> > >
> > > Lisa Koivu
> > > Oracle Database Baby Oven
> > > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
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> > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063
> > >
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