RE: STARTUP Force

Yeah right! I have six years of experience and I use shutdown abort all the time. Just force a checkpoint first to speed up hot recovery on the startup. The other forms of shutdown take too long, and may never complete if you have long running transactions that don't do frequent commits. Check out the following paper if you think I am wrong... http://www.wolfenet.com/~jeremiah/241.pdf

Startup force, on the other hand, I would never use this unless I had a high level oracle support engineer holding my hand.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Leith [SMTP:mark_at_cool-tools.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:01 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: STARTUP Force
>
> One thing I would say Neena - ONLY use SHUTDOWN ABORT as an absolute LAST
> resort!!
>
> If you are shuting down the database normally, on 8, first do a SHUTDOWN
> TRANSACTIONAL, if you need to close the database quickly, try a SHUTDOWN
> IMMEDIATE, wait for 5 or so minutes, and if all else fails ONLY THEN issue
> a
> SHUTDOWN ABORT!!
>
> SHUTDOWN ABORT can cause corruption, and recovering is a bit of a pain the
> arse (as a list memeber found out recently).. You don't seem to have a lot
> of experience with Oracle, as Joe mentioned. Now I have around 3 years
> experience and STILL have NO experience with Backup and Recovery (fair
> enough it is not an issue for me).
>
> Grab hold of the Oracle docs from http://www.otn.oracle.com/ and start
> reading away.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Testa
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:30
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>
>
> Neena, after looking at your last 3 messages, you need to sit down and
> read the administrators guide, 90% of your questions are answered in
> that book and nowadays there is no excuse for not reading docs(unlike
> back in version 6 days when people used to hoard the books).
>
> joe
> TIL-TEC wrote:
> >
> > When do a DBA prefers to use STARTUP FORCE than SHUTDOWN
> > ABORT+STARTUP NORMAL ?
> >
> > --Neena
>
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