RE: Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECT

Sounds like you more like the backup DBA then just a developer. Congrs, I believe you wear two hats. Now go ask for a raise.

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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 10:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

You are exactly correct. I as a developer am usually the first line of blame when something doesn't work even when it is because the sys admin decided to add a service pack or to tweak some parameters to optimize something else, or the network guys decided to improve the firewalls or the DBA decided to clean up the database without bothering to find out if those tables were actually being used.

We are a pretty small shop compared to most of you guys, nobody is on call, and sometimes the DBA is not available or is busy with something else, so I need to be able to stop and start the listener, create and move tables, recreate indexes, drop and add users and privileges. On the plus side for the DBA, I am responsible for fixing my own mistakes, the most he has to do for me is load the backup tape.

At 10:05 AM 2/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECTcome on! give me an user who prefer
we,
>developers and dbas working in a decent way, instead of
>get its job done "rigth now in this moment" and I'll shave my head and
paint
>it blue.
>
>developers get crazy trying to solve a problem with users on the other side
>of the phone yelling!
>and that's first reason of messing everything up.
>(ok, don't generalize)
>users' bosses want the same.
>
>why can't we talk about the complete organization? and why everybody thinks
>developers and dbas as
>separate things?
>If you can't separate responsabilities and duties, well, it's an
>organization problem
>
>try to take an equilibrium and you'll be happy
>
>Gabriel Galanternik
>
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>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:10 PM
>
>
>Lisa,
>Rather than talking to the CTO about this go to the Dir, VP, or whatever of
>the USERS of the system. In-fact he/she is the actual OWNER of the data in
>the system. Explain to him/her how dangerous and devious the developers
are
>to the data. Talk about corruption, system downtime, partial and
incomplete
>restores. Use some technical DBA language to make them understand you have
>the knowledge, but make sure you keep the message at a manager level of
>understanding. Get them good and scared. Then when the developers are
>asking for the free ride in production you have an advocate in high postion
>that can put the CTO in a position of getting a backbone. When the COO
>starts asking why his people can't work, or why the P/L statement is messed
>up the CTO will start scrambling for a lockdown on production and more
>comprehensive testing of new or enhanced code. Remember the politics. We
>in the IT field are not the production organization we are the service
>organization. When it comes to power struggles at the Cxx levels the
>production/operations guys always beat the IT/IS guys. It's a mater of $$$
>and performance in front of the CEO.
>
>HTH
>
>Rodd Holman
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:20 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>"Hello Oracle Guru"
>Now why is it that I get more respect on the Internet than I do in my
>workplace. ??
>How many of you have this problem? It's like an ongoing fight with
>developers, they want carte blanche in the production database, and they do
>whatever they want EVEN THOUGH I tell them NO, let's do something different
>that won't affect production. I go to the CTO because this is like the 3rd
>time this has happened, and he sends out a
>let's-be-sure-not-to-offend-anyone email. But the developer(s) will go
>ahead and do what they want ANYWAY. I'm waiting for the first user-mistake
>recovery to say STOP, I've had ENOUGH and this is how it's going to be, no
>ifs, ands or buts.
>My last job may have been a sweatshop, but at least people respected my
>authority. Here, it's a free for all no matter what I do. Even when I
say,
>Dude, I own the database. If there's a problem, I have to fix it.
>Therefore I say what happens in production and what doesn' t happen in
>production.
>And yes, I am looking for another position. I can only take this
>dba/developer/janitor role for so long.
>I'M SO GLAD IT'S FRIDAY... Bring on the Captain Morgan! It's noon
>somewhere...
>Lisa Rutland Koivu
>Oracle Database Administrator
>Qode.com
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