Re: oracle has customers over a barrel

From: joel garry <joel-garry_at_home.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:14:39 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <5b279721-9313-430f-852f-f9615abf0383_at_m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>

On Sep 11, 11:42 am, jefftyzzer <jefftyz..._at_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 10:18 am, joel garry <joel-ga..._at_home.com> wrote:
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> > On Sep 11, 6:37 am, Mark D Powell <Mark.Pow..._at_eds.com> wrote:
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> > > On Sep 11, 7:52 am, Serge Rielau <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote:
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> > > > Captain Pedantic wrote:
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> > > > > "Serge Rielau" <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:7guq1bF2r6kklU1_at_mid.individual.net...
> > > > >> DBA wrote:
> > > > >>>http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_38/b4147052120632.htm
> > > > >> There are those who bicker and those who act.
> > > > >> So many new friends these days. :-)
> > > > >>http://www.channeldb2.com/video/enabling-applications-from
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> > > > > DB2 supports Oracle SQL PL/SQL out of the box?
> > > > > Really?
> > > > > DB2 the mainframe database ...?
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> > > > DB2 9.7 for LUW, yes, not all of it, but enough to do "exception based"
> > > > tweaks rather than redesign.
> > > > In the coming fixpack we'll even do BULK COLLECT and FORRALL.
> > > > There is a developerworks article written by myself outlining what's
> > > > supported:http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0907ora...
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> > > > Cheers
> > > > Serge
> > > > --
> > > > Serge Rielau
> > > > SQL Architect DB2 for LUW
> > > > IBM Toronto Lab
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> > > From past experience IBM has made changes where we had to pay license
> > > charges to keep using features that were bundled in some of our
> > > existing IBM products prior to upgrades on our mainframe so IBM is no
> > > angel.  Nor is DB2 cheap.  DB2 is available to run on Linux and I
> > > believe on some other platforms as well.
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> > > As far as the claim in the article that mySQL is a competitor to
> > > Oracle (or DB2 or SQL Server for that matter) it just really is not
> > > true.  Mission Criticial systems do not run on mySQL.  If you need
> > > ACID compliant systems you have to obtain a database engine to run
> > > under mySQL.  There are several available.  Add an additional layer of
> > > licensing and support.  Nor is mySQL free for commercial use.
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> > > IMHO -- Mark D Powell --
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> > If you are a flickr or a google or a wannabe, your mission critical
> > system may not require ACID.  It's possible these kinds of companies
> > don't always properly analyze when ACID _is_ required - mission
> > critical (ie, serve users info) does not always mean run-the-business
> > (get someones money).  I know I've seen things go wrong where money
> > transactions are involved.  No excuse for that.  Using a technology
> > because you have the expertise in it is stupid if it is the wrong
> > technology.
>
> > mysql a competitor to Oracle?  Technically, no, but business analysis
> > doesn't put all that much, er, stock in the technical issues.
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> > jg
> > --
> > _at_home.com is bogus.http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/10/bn10-911call-fatal...
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> A germane and provocative article in re: ACID transactions and other
> RDBMS "must haves." Note the employer of the lead author....
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> http://www.sigmod.org/sigmod/record/issues/0903/p43.articles.florescu...
>
> --Jeff

Provocative, yes, germ-filled rather than germane.

$ is simply a unit of exchange, putting it as an axis on a graph removes too much dimensional information. For example, solving a complex requirement is going to have a number of possible solutions at different price points, which would need to be expressed on additional axes.

It is also not discrete, as no one pays list price if they have any choice, which they would if it were a free market, but even though it isn't they still don't.

It is well-established in many vertical markets that making choices based solely on price is a mistake - how large of a mistake is based on how difficult it is to quantify non-monetary value. Accountants have recognized this for years with the concept of goodwill, even though MBA's are usually the ones who make the mistake of underestimating it. For example, how much are the rights to Tron worth? A couple of years ago, near-0. Now? But good luck trying to get rights away from the mouse at any time. How much is mysql worth? How about Opel?

I'd propose a more radical solution: all the new application paradigms are _not databases_. They need a different name. Heap has another meaning - how about piles? The reference to hemorrhoids is probably appropriate.

jg

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_at_home.com is bogus.
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/11/1b11moto213216-motorola-hopes-cliq-can-boost-phone/?uniontrib

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